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Charlie Kirk Shot in the Neck in Utah (Update: Shooter Alt-right links)

Shaquille Oatmeal

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Stochastic terrorism has to be the most slippery slope concept i ve ever encountered. It s the new buzz word the leftists are happy to use whenever they dont like what someone public says.

Almost anyone who speaks publicly against minorities activism like lgbtq can be accused of that, anything said to millions of people has incredible leverage to cause a few violent actions. Nothing Kirk said was ever even an indirect invitation to violence except when it comes to self defense and protecting constitutional rights.
Stochastic terrorism is the use of mass, indirect, and inflammatory rhetoric that demonizes targets and normalizes or makes violence more likely, while preserving plausible deniability because the speech is ambiguous or coded.
Charlie Kirk is plenty guilty of that.
And yes speaking AGAINST minorities, is indeed stochastic terrorism.
 
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No. But am sure we can agree that fascism, lies, misinformation, disinformation, rage bait, stochastic terrorism, racism, xenophobia, religious extremism, homophobia, transphobia, misogyny etc are reprehensible.
None of which charlie kirk advocated for. I mean if you watch some of his debates these views are not present. He debated, presented facts, and challenged the audience. I have seen on a few instances when an audience member presented an opinion that differed from his and he respected it and accepted their logic.
 

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Floyd was a career criminal. Didnt he have aggravated assault charges and held his gun to a womans stomach?
Sure he had a criminal record. Not sure what kind.
But he wasn't killed committing such a crime or being arrested for it.
He was killed completely unnecessarily.
And if Charlie can call him a scumbag because of his past record, many people affected by Charlie's hate speech can call him a scumbag too.
It goes both ways.
 

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Yes. That makes me right. Sympathy is when you feel sorry for someone. Empathy is when you try to understand someone.

There is a world of difference.
The point was empathy is an overused word in politics. Kirk highlighted the often-mocked Bill Clinton line "I feel your pain."
 

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Floyd was a career criminal. Didnt he have aggravated assault charges and held his gun to a womans stomach?
I can’t wait to see the statue of scumbag criminal George Floyd melted down and a statue of Charlie Kirk put in its place.
 
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Sure he had a criminal record. Not sure what kind.
But he wasn't killed committing such a crime or being arrested for it.
He was killed completely unnecessarily.
And if Charlie can call him a scumbag because of his past record, many people affected by Charlie's hate speech can call him a scumbag too.
It goes both ways.
I never said floyd deserved to die. But he was being arrested at the time for using a counterfeit bill. Also, sticking up a woman with 5 other assailants lands you in scumbag territory.
 
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Stochastic terrorism is the use of mass, indirect, and inflammatory rhetoric that demonizes targets and normalizes or makes violence more likely, while preserving plausible deniability because the speech is ambiguous or coded.
Charlie Kirk is plenty guilty of that.
And yes speaking AGAINST minorities, is indeed stochastic terrorism.
He spoke against their political activism, he never said transgender people should not be born or any other indirect violent call. It s a slippery slope because it can easily be used by people like you to prevent anyone from opposing minorities activism, which is completely absurd.
 

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None of which charlie kirk advocated for.
He advocated for all of it.
And he was not a debater.
If you watched his Cambridge debate as well as the Jubilee debate, you'd see he was ill prepared, and came across as narrow minded and not very educated.
It was an opportunity for him to spew his usual bigoted talking points and rhetoric for soundbites. That isn't debate.
 
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It's scary when people who comment on quotes only take a second to see the actual full words.
Or worse they follow the propagandizing crowd.
How does the second sentence invalid what I said. It only reinforces it. He didn't believe in empathy. Just sympathy. But they are two very different things.

Charlie was happy to "feel sorry" for people while espousing views that were designed to marginalize and demean them.
 
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Shaquille Oatmeal

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He spoke against their political activism, he never said transgender people should not be born or any other indirect violent call. It s a slippery slope because it can easily be used by people like you to prevent anyone from opposing minorities activism, which is completely absurd.
Stochastic terrorism is demonizing them.
He called them a "throbbing middle finger to god".
He said - “transgenderism and gender ‘fluidity’ are lies that hurt people and abuse kids" and argued that people shouldn’t be allowed to declare their own gender or sex freely.
He claimed - “direct connection to inflation and the trans issue"...which doesn't even make sense.
All of which tie trans issues to religion, child abuse (and therefore a very personal topic to many), and inflation (which directly causes economic difficulty).
Stochastic terrorism 101.
 
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