I say don't worry, in a few hours scrolls weekend pass will be over and he'll be back in his cage for a few days. remember next Thursday we all hide behind our desks when he gets out.
Charlie Sheen questions 9/11!!!!!
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It enabled the government to pass the Patriot Act, detain people indefinitely without arrest or trial.Esco! said:No, I'm not asking you whomever (in your paranoid mind) would've perpetrated 9/11.
What I'm asking is this, what ultimate purpose would it serve to blow up 2 huge buildings in your own backyard?????(And kill 2000 people??)
Not that I buy into any of this conspiracy theory stuff, but I'll take a crack at explaining a possible cause.Esco! said:No, I'm not asking you whomever (in your paranoid mind) would've perpetrated 9/11.
What I'm asking is this, what ultimate purpose would it serve to blow up 2 huge buildings in your own backyard?????
(And kill 2000 people)
There's another conspiracy theory that FDR knew about Pearl Harbor and even provoked the Japanese intentionally. At the time, America was isolationist and did not want to enter WW2. But FDR knew that a surprise attack on an American base would properly motivate the population. This has been shown time and time again in history: "Remember the Alamo!", "Remember the Maine", the Lusitania, etc.
So, perhaps, the conspiracy theory guys think that Bush had wanted to invade Iraq all along, and he needed an appropriate attack on American soil to motivate the population. Also, a war victory and strong economy as a result of wartime spending practically guarantees re-election.
Again, just a guess as to what the conspiracy guys are thinking.
Esco! said:No, I'm not asking you whomever (in your paranoid mind) would've perpetrated 9/11.
What I'm asking is this, what ultimate purpose would it serve to blow up 2 huge buildings in your own backyard?????
See below , but actually there are lot of serious theories available to be studied like to make US a police state or what PAPI is saying in his post ....
scroll99 said:
I perhaps concur, but thats maybe because they laughed at it and never thought for once the terrorrists were serious.scroll99 said:
To insinuate that Bush somehow purpously let Al Queda carry out 9/11 is not only unfair to Bush but also to Clinton, since he was under command while 9/11 was in the planning stages.
The problems is that I can't buy this is a pure negligence case....Esco! said:
http://foi.missouri.edu/classdeclass/pre911.html
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060324/OPINION02/603240329/1070
Papi Chulo said:
No doubt the site is doing excellent analysis proving the 757 plane hit the Pentagon but on the same site I found the following links which is trying to prove otherwise ,
http://911review.org/brad.com/noplane.html
http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/erreurs_en.htm
Response to snopes.com pentagon "rumor"dreamer said:
http://911review.org/Wiki/snopespentagonrumor.html
If we believe in all these transcripts then it seems to be proving there was an aircraft but Boeing 757 or some other , not sure ???
UNITED STATES DEPARMTENT OF DEFENCE WEBSITE LINK
http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/2001/t09152001_t915evey.html
Q: (Cross-talk.)
Mitchell: It's more to the right of where we were at. This is the -- this is in a renovated section on the opposite side, if you were facing the opposite side. This is a hole in -- there was a punch-out. They suspect that this was where a part of the aircraft came through this hole, although I didn't see any evidence of the aircraft down there.
pictures here
http://911review.org/Wiki/snopespentagonrumor.html
UNITED STATES DEPARMTENT OF DEFENCE WEBSITE LINK
http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/2001/t09152001_t915evey.html
Q: (Cross-talk.)
Mitchell: It's more to the right of where we were at. This is the -- this is in a renovated section on the opposite side, if you were facing the opposite side. This is a hole in -- there was a punch-out. They suspect that this was where a part of the aircraft came through this hole, although I didn't see any evidence of the aircraft down there.
pictures here
http://911review.org/Wiki/snopespentagonrumor.html
The Missing Wings
A Comparison of actual and expected wing debris resulting from the impact of a Boeing 757 on the Pentagon building (revised Dec 19, 2004)
http://physics911.net/missingwings.htm
A Comparison of actual and expected wing debris resulting from the impact of a Boeing 757 on the Pentagon building (revised Dec 19, 2004)
http://physics911.net/missingwings.htm
I am not a believer in conspiracy theories, because I have generally found, that when I expected a conspiracy, that the reason instead was incompetence and stupidity. But I will add my voice to Charlies, in that the whole scenario seemes incredible:
I have been a project manager on many projects. And f I were to manage a plan where 4 teams of 4 people were to a) meet at an airport at a certain time and get through security, b) hijack the airplane, c) fly a jumbo jet without prior training and d) navigate good enouigh to find targets, I think 1 out of 4 would be a tremendous success. 4 out of 4?
How do you hijack a plane with a box cutter or a pen knife anyway? Unless, of course, the crew die laughing.
It is puzzling, to say the least, that during one full hour the most powerful airforce in the world, which can send a bomb down a chimney on the other side of the globe, was unable to get a fighter in the air to intercept any of the 4 airplanes. This when the New Yourk, the White House, the Capitol and the Pentagon was under attack.
I have been a project manager on many projects. And f I were to manage a plan where 4 teams of 4 people were to a) meet at an airport at a certain time and get through security, b) hijack the airplane, c) fly a jumbo jet without prior training and d) navigate good enouigh to find targets, I think 1 out of 4 would be a tremendous success. 4 out of 4?
How do you hijack a plane with a box cutter or a pen knife anyway? Unless, of course, the crew die laughing.
It is puzzling, to say the least, that during one full hour the most powerful airforce in the world, which can send a bomb down a chimney on the other side of the globe, was unable to get a fighter in the air to intercept any of the 4 airplanes. This when the New Yourk, the White House, the Capitol and the Pentagon was under attack.
No its not an excellent point, its a dumb point!!scroll99 said:
All those hijackers had to do was hold up a bunch of fake grenades and convince the crew and passengers they'd be released harmlesly if they complied.
You think you'd do better under the circumstances???
Ha ha, most of you would be shitting your pants I'll bet
Thought I'd chime in with this 'tidbit' that has been overlooked.danmand said:
On 9/11 I was at work listening to the radio news reports as events unfolded.
One thing that WAS reported on the radio was that after the WTC was hit twice and the Pentagon was hit, is that there was still one unaccounted-for airliner which was off its original flight course still in flight, BUT NOT TO WORRY BECAUSE IT WAS BEING TAILED BY A COUPLE US AIR FORCE JETS! This was the airliner that ended up 'crashing' in that deserted area in Pennsylvania. News reporters on that radio station did mention a couple of times US AIR FORCE jets were following that airliner.
However later on that day all mention of US AIR FORCE jets following that airliner ceased and were dismissed which seemed very strange.
When that airliner crashed in a remote part of Pennsylvania, me along with several other co-workers who had heard those reports on the radio assumed the Air Force had shot down that airliner!
Pecker, I have assumed all along that the airliner was downed. But perhaps it wasn't..WoodPeckr said:
The part that is hard to swallow in the conspiracy theory, at least as far as i'm concerned, is how do you convince 19 men to die like this. This could only imply that bin Laden was onside with the American black-ops co-conspirators. It’s possible I suppose, but then with whom? Common sense says this plan was hatched a long time before Bush got into office, probably by at least 2 years.
I believe the Israelis knew about the plan, probably down to the minutiae. Why I think so, is because they only lost 2 people in the episode, and these guys were on the planes, probably a result of ordinary misfortune. Look at the Nationalities that lost people. Look at the probability of how many Israelis would/should have died. Right, it’s a coincidence. I buy into the Odigo story. It's the only thing that makes sense. Call me the guy with the tin hat. There are no coincidences.
The Israelis knew what was going down. As for the rest of the conspiracy theory, bombs and so on, it’s well beyond my comprehension, but I think one has to keep an open mind in this situation and look at all the possibilities. To me as one man, it is far from impossible that there are forces within the military industrial complex that would sacrifice a few thousand American countrymen to achieve what to us ordinary folk are ignoble ends. Anyone who believes otherwise, IMHO is wearing a Stars and Stripes tin hat. (that would be you and OTB Papa)
If you buy into the fact that certain forces within the MIC planned to invade Iraq, especially at the beginning of this administration’s reign over terror and you connect up the dots, some event like 9/11 is one sure fired way of getting there, and the sacrifice of a couple towers in downtown NYC is a small anti to pay, measured against the grand scale of this war.
If you want to stretch your brain, read this site. If you’re at all amenable to persuasion this series of arguments is bound to challenge a person’s view of reality. I have neither the time, nor qualifications, nor the energy to absorb and understand this document, but it makes an interesting read, nevertheless.
http://homepage.mac.com/ardeshir/9-11.html
I think 9/11 will be talked about for decades to come. This document and others like it will never be resolved...books will be written and rewritten. 50 years from now, the contraversy will still be alive and well. Future generations will probably view 9/11 with much more clarity than we here today.
And DQ...what was that episode at the Gulf of Tonkin again...i somehow forget...
