Charlie Sheen questions 9/11!!!!!

[dreamer]

I love conspiracies that cover their tracks so well, made up flight 77, probably never took off and is in a hangar somewhere, original passengers killed as part of the conspiracy, all airline officials involved in the conspiracy somehow silenced, all for what, to cover up that a smaller airplane or missile was used

I could see fifty years from now a Oliver Stone type director making a movie where a Denzel type character looks into the camera and says "there never was a flight 77, they altered the records and killed innocent passengers because Cheney lost control of his private jet"

 

[dreamer]

I wonder if he gets paid for it, do you dreamer?

yes I do

 

[dreamer]

Instead of attacking the huge building in a direct fashion, the jet executed a 270-degree descending spiral to its east, south, and southwest, losing seven thousand feet before leveling out at nearly tree-top height as it made its final approach from the southwest

maybe because, even though they had flight simulation training, they were still not very good at crashing a plane on an exact spot

let's say that the plane made a perfect crash, destroyed all of the pentagon and killed just about everyone, it was simply just a perfect hit, the conspiracy proponents would then argue that the terrorists could not have done it because it was too perfect

 

[scroll99]

maybe because, even though they had flight simulation training, they were still not very good at crashing a plane on an exact spot

let's say that the plane made a perfect crash, destroyed all of the pentagon and killed just about everyone, it was simply just a perfect hit, the conspiracy proponents would then argue that the terrorists could not have done it because it was too perfect

what do you think about this movie ? the questions it is prompting ?
lets be openminded, lets not disagree for the sake of disagreement

what we are referring to as consipiracy theories are very simple questions that any 10th grader may have

http://members.shaw.ca/freedomseven/pentagonlies.swf

 

[dreamer]

what do you think about this movie ? the questions it is prompting ?
lets be openminded, lets not disagree for the sake of disagreement

I am openminded, but I do not think that a conspiracy can create fake 747's with fake dead passengers and not unravel under scrutiny

The people who put together these theories and documentaries never look into the facts that could be checked, like airline records of flight 77, or talk to relatives of those killed on that flight, etc etc

If a conspiracy exists, what happened to those passengers on flight 77, where is that plane and those passengers

 

[scroll99]

I am openminded, but I do not think that a conspiracy can create fake 747's with fake dead passengers and not unravel under scrutiny

The people who put together these theories and documentaries never look into the facts that could be checked, like airline records of flight 77, or talk to relatives of those killed on that flight, etc etc

If a conspiracy exists, what happened to those passengers on flight 77, where is that plane and those passengers

in your previous posts your point was
'witnesses were actually paid to describe the plane coming in, probably subsequently killed to keep the secret'

so if you see the documentry it will tell you the witness accounts , so what do you say now , are they lying ? or are they paid to lie ?


just for the sake of disucssion , let's believe the conspiracy is correct then don't you think the powers who can create such a big conspiracy can also dematerialize the evidence ?

 

[scroll99]

the jet executed a 270-degree descending spiral to its east, south, and southwest, losing seven thousand feet before leveling out at nearly tree-top height as it made its final approach from the southwest.

maybe because, even though they had flight simulation training, they were still not very good at crashing a plane on an exact spot

let's say that the plane made a perfect crash, destroyed all of the pentagon and killed just about everyone, it was simply just a perfect hit, the conspiracy proponents would then argue that the terrorists could not have done it because it was too perfect

Pilot of flight 77
[Flight Academy] Staff members characterized Mr. Hanjour as polite, meek and very quiet. But most of all, the former employee said, they considered him a very bad pilot. "I'm still to this day amazed that he could have flown into the Pentagon," the former employee said. "He could not fly at all." [New York Times]

 

[Asterix]

I am openminded, but I do not think that a conspiracy can create fake 747's with fake dead passengers and not unravel under scrutiny

The people who put together these theories and documentaries never look into the facts that could be checked, like airline records of flight 77, or talk to relatives of those killed on that flight, etc etc

If a conspiracy exists, what happened to those passengers on flight 77, where is that plane and those passengers

Area 51 of course. Geez, whatta stupid question.

 

[dreamer]

just for the sake of disucssion , let's believe the conspiracy is correct then don't you think the powers who can create such a big conspiracy can also dematerialize the evidence ?

There are witnesses who say it was a missile, or at least say it sounded like a missile, some a small plane, and others who say it was a 747.

This is typical of eye witness accounts.

The movie in question looks at the video and says it was a plane, therefore the missile witnesses are not lying, just confused describing events that happen very quickly.

So the question is was it a big plane or a small plane. They show a hole inside the pentagon and ask could a plane do this. Well the size of the hole obviously is large enough for a 747 fulselage to fit through, with its wings destroyed earlier in the crash.

So let's assume it was a small plane and there is a coverup. Then airline records of flight 77 had to be either made up, or if true, then landed somewhere else and the plane and passengers, who have been reported dead, are in hiding.

None of the conspiracy proponents discuss what happened to flight 77 and its passengers, who were real people, with real families, who buried them in real funerals.

 

[scroll99]

There are witnesses who say it was a missile, or at least say it sounded like a missile, some a small plane, and others who say it was a 747.

This is typical of eye witness accounts.

The movie in question looks at the video and says it was a plane, therefore the missile witnesses are not lying, just confused describing events that happen very quickly.

So the question is was it a big plane or a small plane. They show a hole inside the pentagon and ask could a plane do this. Well the size of the hole obviously is large enough for a 747 fulselage to fit through, with its wings destroyed earlier in the crash.

So let's assume it was a small plane and there is a coverup. Then airline records of flight 77 had to be either made up, or if true, then landed somewhere else and the plane and passengers, who have been reported dead, are in hiding.

None of the conspiracy proponents discuss what happened to flight 77 and its passengers, who were real people, with real families, who buried them in real funerals.

to me only the bold part of your post seems prompting further investigation and that question was also in my mind , and If I get further info. for it I'll post it for sure .... but as I said before it doesnt seems to be a very difficult job for the powers involved if the consipiracy theory is correct

 

[dreamer]

to me only the bold part of your post seems prompting further investigation and that question was also in my mind , and If I get further info. for it I'll post it for sure .... but as I said before it doesnt seems to be a very difficult job for the powers involved if the consipiracy theory is correct

ok, then you think that investigative reporters, with the resourses to do it, and who love to expose government coverups, could not investigate flight 77 and its passengers. That would be the easiest way to prove that someone is lying and that it was not a 747 that hit the pentagon.

 

[Rick123]

what a weak attempt by the disinformationalist, eh? (definition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinformation) I wonder if he gets paid for it, do you dreamer?

yes I do

How much? Is it worth it?
I think I could be damn good at it even though I'd be selling my soul. But I could do so much of a better job than you and I could use the extra cash, what a dilemma.

 

[scroll99]

ok, then you think that investigative reporters, with the resourses to do it, and who love to expose government coverups, could not investigate flight 77 and its passengers. That would be the easiest way to prove that someone is lying and that it was not a 747 that hit the pentagon.

I beleive this is only one of the reasons :

US media cowed by patriotic fever, says CBS star

In the weeks after September 11 Rather wore a Stars and Stripes pin in his lapel during his evening news show in an apparent display of total solidarity with the American cause. However, in an interview with BBC's Newsnight, he graphically described the pressures to conform that built up after the attacks on the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/bush/story/0,7369,717097,00.html

 

[dreamer]

How much? Is it worth it?
I think I could be damn good at it even though I'd be selling my soul. But I could do so much of a better job than you and I could use the extra cash, what a dilemma.

Hmmm, if you could do such a better job I have no doubt you are smart enough to figure out who to approach to get paid to spout your propaganda

Once you get on the payroll I look forward to your writing, because to be honest your unpaid work is lacking

 

[scroll99]

please please I think we have had good disucussion , lets not move away from the track and lets stay away from hitting each other

 

[dreamer]

US media cowed by patriotic fever, says CBS star

ok, forget the media then, because in reality they are part of the criminal coverup, why can't the producers of the online documentaries follow up on the 64 passengers who were killed in that crash. If it was made up it should be easy for someone resourceful to track down the truth

maybe Rick123 will be able to track it down when he gets on the payroll

 

[Asterix]

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Of all the conspiracy theories out there, this has to be the silliest. If you believe the Pentagon attack was staged, then you would have to believe the same of all the attacks of that day. Can you imagine the thousands upon thousands of people who would have to be involved in such a deception, let alone the cover-up afterwards? Give us a break.

 

[scroll99]

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Of all the conspiracy theories out there, this has to be the silliest. If you believe the Pentagon attack was staged, then you would have to believe the same of all the attacks of that day. Can you imagine the thousands upon thousands of people who would have to be involved in such a deception, let alone the cover-up afterwards? Give us a break.

honestly , I never seriously believed that 9/11 was staged , all I had was a sense that some powers at the goverment level knew about the attack but they let it go so that they have a good case to attack Iraq and Afghanistan....

but all these evidence and facts in the videos must be creating some curiousity in many 'inquiring minds' and don't you think that it was such an important tragedy in the history of the world that it must prompt analysis from all aspects specially when there are lots and lots of unanswered questions...

I have read its more unpatriotic if you dont ask questions or ignore these questions .... but i know many people here think its patriotic to be silent on this topic

 

[dreamer]

I have read its more unpatriotic if you dont ask questions or ignore these questions .... but i know many people here think its patriotic to be silent on this topic

I could not agree more that you should ask questions, but I believe the conspiracy is about covering up fault verses Bush and his followers staging it so that they could go to war.

 

[scroll99]

I could not agree more that you should ask questions, but I believe the conspiracy is about covering up fault verses Bush and his followers staging it so that they could go to war.

this theory below should cover both of the scenarious, I do believe knowingly allow the attack to happen or delibrately ignoring the attack is no way less criminal then staging the attack

honestly , I never seriously believed that 9/11 was staged , all I had was a sense that some powers at the goverment level knew about the attack but they let it go so that they have a good case to attack Iraq and Afghanistan....