Charlie Sheen questions 9/11!!!!!
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Bush and Cocaine
http://www.counterpunch.org/bushcoke.html
Bush was arrested for cocaine in 1972
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/1999/10/18/cocaine/
Governor Bush's Cocaine Problem
http://www.progress.org/drc12.htm
Bush an Alcholic : Dry Drunk
http://www.inthesetimes.com/comments.php?id=195_0_4_0_M
The Bush 9/11 Scandal for Dummies
http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0601-01.htm
http://www.counterpunch.org/bushcoke.html
Bush was arrested for cocaine in 1972
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/1999/10/18/cocaine/
Governor Bush's Cocaine Problem
http://www.progress.org/drc12.htm
Bush an Alcholic : Dry Drunk
http://www.inthesetimes.com/comments.php?id=195_0_4_0_M
The Bush 9/11 Scandal for Dummies
http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0601-01.htm
The Big Question Nobody's Asked
911 Commission did no independent investigation of their own. Instead they relied entirely on the much criticized and beleaguered FBI... an Agency whose competence has been questioned by prominent individuals across all party lines... An Agency which has never managed to offer a coherent account of such investigative niceties as an accurate chronology of when Atta arrived in the United States, and what he did (and with whom) when he got here.
Here’s the big question nobody seems to be ready to ask: Upon what basis did the 9.11 Commission conclude that the FBI’s timeline was correct and that an elite Army Intel unit was mistaken in saying they were tracking Mohamed Atta roaming freely across America during 1999 and 2000?
We’d love to hear Felzenberg hem and haw his way around that.
So too, we suspect, would relatives of the innocent murdered victims.
911 Commission did no independent investigation of their own. Instead they relied entirely on the much criticized and beleaguered FBI... an Agency whose competence has been questioned by prominent individuals across all party lines... An Agency which has never managed to offer a coherent account of such investigative niceties as an accurate chronology of when Atta arrived in the United States, and what he did (and with whom) when he got here.
Here’s the big question nobody seems to be ready to ask: Upon what basis did the 9.11 Commission conclude that the FBI’s timeline was correct and that an elite Army Intel unit was mistaken in saying they were tracking Mohamed Atta roaming freely across America during 1999 and 2000?
We’d love to hear Felzenberg hem and haw his way around that.
So too, we suspect, would relatives of the innocent murdered victims.
Regardless there are also many who support the government view of how the WTC towers were destroyed and how the Pentagon was attacked and they also have very good credentials.Rick123 said:
Many of the sites listed on the conspiracy side are fringe sites using official sounding names, misleading videos and facts and are confusing people.
I will use one simple example of how these sites mislead people. I saw on the news where witnesses said they say a large passenger plane hit the Pentagon. On the conspiracy sites they do not mention this. They only quote witnesses who heard something like a missile, not that we would know what that sounded like, or someone watching tv and it flew by his window and in that split second he was able to say it was a small passenger plane.
It is too bad because their efforts will amount to nothing without some hard fact being exposed while the Bush administration appears to be covering up why they failed so miserably in preventing the attacks.
If you say so, sir. Then it must be so!dreamer said:
Fox, CBS etc. is always the gospel truth, let it be known.
Hijackers Lived With FBI Informant
Sept. 9, 2002
Two of the Sept. 11 hijackers who lived in San Diego in 2000 rented a room from a man who reportedly worked as an undercover FBI informant, highlighting the lack of cooperation by the nation's law enforcement and intelligence agencies.
Newsweek magazine reports that Khalid Almihdhar and Nawaf Alhazmi lived with a "tested" undercover "asset" who had been working closely with the FBI office in San Diego.
The magazine does not name the informant.
The connection was discovered by congressional investigators, reports Newsweek, and raises more questions about information-sharing among government intelligence agencies
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/09/09/attack/main521223.shtml
Sept. 9, 2002
Two of the Sept. 11 hijackers who lived in San Diego in 2000 rented a room from a man who reportedly worked as an undercover FBI informant, highlighting the lack of cooperation by the nation's law enforcement and intelligence agencies.
Newsweek magazine reports that Khalid Almihdhar and Nawaf Alhazmi lived with a "tested" undercover "asset" who had been working closely with the FBI office in San Diego.
The magazine does not name the informant.
The connection was discovered by congressional investigators, reports Newsweek, and raises more questions about information-sharing among government intelligence agencies
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/09/09/attack/main521223.shtml
The Informant Who Lived With the Hijackers
Sept. 16 issue — At first, FBI director Bob Mueller insisted there was nothing the bureau could have done to penetrate the 9-11 plot. That account has been modified over time—and now may change again.
THE CONNECTION, JUST discovered by congressional investigators, has stunned some top counterterrorism officials and raised new concerns about the information-sharing among U.S. law-enforcement and intelligence agencies.
But the belated discovery has unsettled some members of the joint House and Senate intelligence committees investigating the 9-11 attacks. The panel is tentatively due to begin public hearings as early as Sept. 18, racing to its end-of-the-year deadline. But some members are now worried that they won’t get to the bottom of what really happened by then. Support for legislation creating a special blue-ribbon investigative panel, similar to probes conducted after Pearl Harbor and the Kennedy assassination, is increasing. Only then, some members say, will the public learn whether more 9-11 secrets are buried in the government’s files
http://www.prisonplanet.com/the_informant_who_lived_with_the_hijackers.htm
Sept. 16 issue — At first, FBI director Bob Mueller insisted there was nothing the bureau could have done to penetrate the 9-11 plot. That account has been modified over time—and now may change again.
THE CONNECTION, JUST discovered by congressional investigators, has stunned some top counterterrorism officials and raised new concerns about the information-sharing among U.S. law-enforcement and intelligence agencies.
But the belated discovery has unsettled some members of the joint House and Senate intelligence committees investigating the 9-11 attacks. The panel is tentatively due to begin public hearings as early as Sept. 18, racing to its end-of-the-year deadline. But some members are now worried that they won’t get to the bottom of what really happened by then. Support for legislation creating a special blue-ribbon investigative panel, similar to probes conducted after Pearl Harbor and the Kennedy assassination, is increasing. Only then, some members say, will the public learn whether more 9-11 secrets are buried in the government’s files
http://www.prisonplanet.com/the_informant_who_lived_with_the_hijackers.htm
Is this your slogan now?Rick123 said:If you say so, sir. Then it must be so!
Fox, CBS etc. is always the gospel truth, let it be known.
Any reasonable, semi-intelligent person would realize that those sites and "organizations" are fringe and slanted towards one opinion.
Mainstream media can also be slanted based on their views of the world, but not to the extreme of those sites and individuals are. They only present "facts" that serve their opinions and they specifically ignore those that would cast doubts on their theories, and they are theories.
Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Collapse?
By Steven E. Jones
Department of Physics and Astronomy
Brigham Young University
Prof. Jones will present a paper, "Molten metal, flowing and in pools, on 9/11/2001" at the Utah Academy of Sciences on April 7, 2006 at Snow College, Ephraim, Utah.
http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html
By Steven E. Jones
Department of Physics and Astronomy
Brigham Young University
Prof. Jones will present a paper, "Molten metal, flowing and in pools, on 9/11/2001" at the Utah Academy of Sciences on April 7, 2006 at Snow College, Ephraim, Utah.
http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html
Thomas W. Eagar, the Thomas Lord Professor of Materials Engineering and Engineering Systems, and Christopher Musso, graduate research student, are at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.
http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/0112/Eagar/Eagar-0112.html
http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/0112/Eagar/Eagar-0112.html
well, I can agree with you to a certain extent, and to me that is what the coverup is about, how the government totally failed that day, not all of these other conspiracies that people are theorizing about
let's say that the governement interfered and let it happen for their own purposes, here is the problem with that theory
1. it would be a big conspiracy that would be difficult if not impossible to contain, especially given the current Bush failures, no doubt someone in that conspiracy would be disillusioned
2. for arguments sake, let's say they did know, interfered, and allowed it to happen, wouldn't it make sense to allow one plane to do it's dirty work and for the military to respond and stop the others. The result would be outrage over one plane hitting one of the WTC towers, and good old American pride that their security was working and prevented a bigger disaster. Instead, they even allowed a plane to hit the Pentagon.
I agree that lies are being told, I just believe it is to coverup the blame for failure to respond and stop the other planes
let's say that the governement interfered and let it happen for their own purposes, here is the problem with that theory
1. it would be a big conspiracy that would be difficult if not impossible to contain, especially given the current Bush failures, no doubt someone in that conspiracy would be disillusioned
2. for arguments sake, let's say they did know, interfered, and allowed it to happen, wouldn't it make sense to allow one plane to do it's dirty work and for the military to respond and stop the others. The result would be outrage over one plane hitting one of the WTC towers, and good old American pride that their security was working and prevented a bigger disaster. Instead, they even allowed a plane to hit the Pentagon.
I agree that lies are being told, I just believe it is to coverup the blame for failure to respond and stop the other planes
Former Reagan Treasury Secretary Questions Twin Towers Collapse
Former Reagan Treasury Secretary Questions Twin Towers Collapse
They challenge me to explain why three World Trade Center buildings on one day collapsed into their own footprints at free fall speed, an event outside the laws of physics except under conditions of controlled demolition. They insist that there is no stopping war and a police state as long as the government's story on 9/11 remains unchallenged
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2006/080206towerscollapse.htm
Former Reagan Treasury Secretary Questions Twin Towers Collapse
They challenge me to explain why three World Trade Center buildings on one day collapsed into their own footprints at free fall speed, an event outside the laws of physics except under conditions of controlled demolition. They insist that there is no stopping war and a police state as long as the government's story on 9/11 remains unchallenged
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2006/080206towerscollapse.htm
He served as an Assistant Treasury Secretary and he was trained in economics.scroll99 said:
However his writings are excellent. Here is a link to the full article http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11802.htm
Former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury under President Reagan, Paul Craig Roberts, expressed his doubt about the common account in the following statement: "I know many qualified engineers and scientists have said the WTC collapsed from explosives. In fact, if you look at the manner in which it fell, you have to give their conclusions credibility.
Robert Coninues ny editors eager for writers to explore the glaring defects of the 9/11 Commission Report. One would think that if the report could stand analysis, there would not be a taboo against calling attention to the inadequacy of its explanations. We know the government lied about Iraqi WMD, but we believe the government told the truth about 9/11."
Roberts cites a press release from '9/11 Scholars For Truth,' a group that comprises such credible individuals as former German Defense Minister Andreas von Buelow and former chief economist for the US Department of Labor under George W. Bush, Morgan Reynolds. The press release lists the evidence suggesting 9/11 was carried out with the complicity of the highest ranks of government and intelligence agencies.
EXPERTS CLAIM OFFICIAL 9/11 STORY IS A HOAX
Scholars for 9/11 Truth call for verification and publication by an international consortium.
Duluth, MN (PRWEB) January 30, 2006 -- A group of distinguished experts and scholars, including Robert M. Bowman, James H. Fetzer, Wayne Madsen, John McMurtry, Morgan Reynolds, and Andreas von Buelow, have concluded that senior government officials have covered up crucial facts about what really happened on 9/11.
They have joined with others in common cause as members of "Scholars for 9/11 Truth" (S9/11T), because they are convinced, based on their own research, that the administration has been deceiving the nation about critical events in New York and Washington, D.C.
These experts suggest these events may have been orchestrated by elements within the administration to manipulate Americans into supporting policies at home and abroad they would never have condoned absent "another Pearl Harbor."
They believe that this White House is incapable of investigating itself and hope the possibility that Congress might hold an unaccountable administration accountable is not merely naive or wishful thinking.
They are encouraging news services around the world to secure scientific advice by taking advantage of university resources to verify or to falsify their discoveries. Extraordinary situations, they believe, require extraordinary measures.
If this were done, they contend, one of the great hoaxes of history would stand naked before the eyes of the world and its perpetrators would be clearly exposed, which may be the only hope for saving this nation from ever greater abuse.
They hope this might include The New York Times, which, in their opinion, has repeatedly failed to exercise the leadership expected from our nation's newspaper of record by a series of inexplicable lapses. It has failed to vigorously investigate tainted elections, lies leading to the war in Iraq, or illegal NSA spying on the American people, major unconstitutional events. In their view, The Times might compensate for its loss of stature by helping to reveal the truth about one of the great turning-point events of modern history.
Stunning as it may be to acknowledge, they observe, the government has brought but one indictment against anyone and, to the best of their knowledge, has not even reprimanded anyone for incompetence or dereliction of duty. The official conspiracy theory--that nineteen Arab hijackers under control of one man in the wilds of Afghanistan brought this about--is unsupportable by the evidential data, which they have studied. They even believe there are good reasons for suspecting that video tapes officially attributed to Osama bin Laden are not genuine.
They have found the government's own investigation to be severely flawed. The 9/11 Commission, designated to investigate the attack, was directed by Philip Zelikow, part of the Bush transition team in the NSA sector and the co-author of a book with Condoleezza Rice. A Bush supporter and director of national security affairs, he could hardly be expected to conduct an objective and impartial investigation.
They have discovered that The 9/11 Commission Report is replete with omissions, distortions, and factual errors, which David Ray Griffin has documented in his book, The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions. The official report, for example, entirely ignores the collapse of WTC7, a 47-story building, which was hit by no airplanes, was only damaged by a few small fires, and fell seven hours after the attack.
Here are some of the kinds of considerations that these experts and scholars find profoundly troubling:
In the history of structural engineering, steel-frame high-rise buildings have never been brought down due to fires either before or since 9/11, so how can fires have brought down three in one day? How is this possible?
The BBC has reported that at least five of the nineteen alleged "hijackers" have turned up alive and well living in Saudi Arabia, yet according to the FBI, they were among those killed in the attacks. How is this possible?
Frank DeMartini, a project manager for the WTC, said the buildings were designed with load redistribution capabilities to withstand the impact of airliners, whose effects would be like "puncturing mosquito netting with a pencil." Yet they completely collapsed. How is this possible?
Since the melting point of steel is about 2,700°F, the temperature of jet fuel fires does not exceed 1,800°F under optimal conditions, and UL certified the steel used to 2,000°F for six hours, the buildings cannot have collapsed due to heat from the fires. How is this possible?
Flight 77, which allegedly hit the building, left the radar screen in the vicinity of the Ohio/Kentucky border, only to "reappear" in very close proximity to the Pentagon shortly before impact. How is this possible?
Foreign "terrorists" who were clever enough to coordinate hijacking four commercial airliners seemingly did not know that the least damage to the Pentagon would be done by hitting its west wing. How is this possible?
Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta, in an underground bunker at the White House, watched Vice President Cheney castigate a young officer for asking, as the plane drew closer and closer to the Pentagon, "Do the orders still stand?" The order cannot have been to shoot it down, but must have been the opposite. How is this possible?
A former Inspector General for the Air Force has observed that Flight 93, which allegedly crashed in Pennsylvania, should have left debris scattered over an area less than the size of a city block; but it is scattered over an area of about eight square miles. How is this possible?
A tape recording of interviews with air traffic controllers on duty on 9/11 was deliberately crushed, cut into very small pieces, and distributed in assorted places to insure its total destruction. How is this possible?
The Pentagon conducted a training exercise called "MASCAL" simulating the crash of a Boeing 757 into the building on 24 October 2000, and yet Condoleezza Rice, among others, has repeatedly asserted that "no one ever imagined" a domestic airplane could be used as a weapon. How is this possible?
Their own physics research has established that only controlled demolitions are consistent with the near-gravity speed of fall and virtually symmetrical collapse of all three of the WTC buildings. While turning concrete into very fine dust, they fell straight-down into their own footprints.
These experts and scholars have found themselves obliged to conclude that the 9/11 atrocity represents an instance of the approach--which has been identified by Karl Rove, the President's closest adviser--of "creating our own reality."
Robert Coninues ny editors eager for writers to explore the glaring defects of the 9/11 Commission Report. One would think that if the report could stand analysis, there would not be a taboo against calling attention to the inadequacy of its explanations. We know the government lied about Iraqi WMD, but we believe the government told the truth about 9/11."
Roberts cites a press release from '9/11 Scholars For Truth,' a group that comprises such credible individuals as former German Defense Minister Andreas von Buelow and former chief economist for the US Department of Labor under George W. Bush, Morgan Reynolds. The press release lists the evidence suggesting 9/11 was carried out with the complicity of the highest ranks of government and intelligence agencies.
EXPERTS CLAIM OFFICIAL 9/11 STORY IS A HOAX
Scholars for 9/11 Truth call for verification and publication by an international consortium.
Duluth, MN (PRWEB) January 30, 2006 -- A group of distinguished experts and scholars, including Robert M. Bowman, James H. Fetzer, Wayne Madsen, John McMurtry, Morgan Reynolds, and Andreas von Buelow, have concluded that senior government officials have covered up crucial facts about what really happened on 9/11.
They have joined with others in common cause as members of "Scholars for 9/11 Truth" (S9/11T), because they are convinced, based on their own research, that the administration has been deceiving the nation about critical events in New York and Washington, D.C.
These experts suggest these events may have been orchestrated by elements within the administration to manipulate Americans into supporting policies at home and abroad they would never have condoned absent "another Pearl Harbor."
They believe that this White House is incapable of investigating itself and hope the possibility that Congress might hold an unaccountable administration accountable is not merely naive or wishful thinking.
They are encouraging news services around the world to secure scientific advice by taking advantage of university resources to verify or to falsify their discoveries. Extraordinary situations, they believe, require extraordinary measures.
If this were done, they contend, one of the great hoaxes of history would stand naked before the eyes of the world and its perpetrators would be clearly exposed, which may be the only hope for saving this nation from ever greater abuse.
They hope this might include The New York Times, which, in their opinion, has repeatedly failed to exercise the leadership expected from our nation's newspaper of record by a series of inexplicable lapses. It has failed to vigorously investigate tainted elections, lies leading to the war in Iraq, or illegal NSA spying on the American people, major unconstitutional events. In their view, The Times might compensate for its loss of stature by helping to reveal the truth about one of the great turning-point events of modern history.
Stunning as it may be to acknowledge, they observe, the government has brought but one indictment against anyone and, to the best of their knowledge, has not even reprimanded anyone for incompetence or dereliction of duty. The official conspiracy theory--that nineteen Arab hijackers under control of one man in the wilds of Afghanistan brought this about--is unsupportable by the evidential data, which they have studied. They even believe there are good reasons for suspecting that video tapes officially attributed to Osama bin Laden are not genuine.
They have found the government's own investigation to be severely flawed. The 9/11 Commission, designated to investigate the attack, was directed by Philip Zelikow, part of the Bush transition team in the NSA sector and the co-author of a book with Condoleezza Rice. A Bush supporter and director of national security affairs, he could hardly be expected to conduct an objective and impartial investigation.
They have discovered that The 9/11 Commission Report is replete with omissions, distortions, and factual errors, which David Ray Griffin has documented in his book, The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions. The official report, for example, entirely ignores the collapse of WTC7, a 47-story building, which was hit by no airplanes, was only damaged by a few small fires, and fell seven hours after the attack.
Here are some of the kinds of considerations that these experts and scholars find profoundly troubling:
In the history of structural engineering, steel-frame high-rise buildings have never been brought down due to fires either before or since 9/11, so how can fires have brought down three in one day? How is this possible?
The BBC has reported that at least five of the nineteen alleged "hijackers" have turned up alive and well living in Saudi Arabia, yet according to the FBI, they were among those killed in the attacks. How is this possible?
Frank DeMartini, a project manager for the WTC, said the buildings were designed with load redistribution capabilities to withstand the impact of airliners, whose effects would be like "puncturing mosquito netting with a pencil." Yet they completely collapsed. How is this possible?
Since the melting point of steel is about 2,700°F, the temperature of jet fuel fires does not exceed 1,800°F under optimal conditions, and UL certified the steel used to 2,000°F for six hours, the buildings cannot have collapsed due to heat from the fires. How is this possible?
Flight 77, which allegedly hit the building, left the radar screen in the vicinity of the Ohio/Kentucky border, only to "reappear" in very close proximity to the Pentagon shortly before impact. How is this possible?
Foreign "terrorists" who were clever enough to coordinate hijacking four commercial airliners seemingly did not know that the least damage to the Pentagon would be done by hitting its west wing. How is this possible?
Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta, in an underground bunker at the White House, watched Vice President Cheney castigate a young officer for asking, as the plane drew closer and closer to the Pentagon, "Do the orders still stand?" The order cannot have been to shoot it down, but must have been the opposite. How is this possible?
A former Inspector General for the Air Force has observed that Flight 93, which allegedly crashed in Pennsylvania, should have left debris scattered over an area less than the size of a city block; but it is scattered over an area of about eight square miles. How is this possible?
A tape recording of interviews with air traffic controllers on duty on 9/11 was deliberately crushed, cut into very small pieces, and distributed in assorted places to insure its total destruction. How is this possible?
The Pentagon conducted a training exercise called "MASCAL" simulating the crash of a Boeing 757 into the building on 24 October 2000, and yet Condoleezza Rice, among others, has repeatedly asserted that "no one ever imagined" a domestic airplane could be used as a weapon. How is this possible?
Their own physics research has established that only controlled demolitions are consistent with the near-gravity speed of fall and virtually symmetrical collapse of all three of the WTC buildings. While turning concrete into very fine dust, they fell straight-down into their own footprints.
These experts and scholars have found themselves obliged to conclude that the 9/11 atrocity represents an instance of the approach--which has been identified by Karl Rove, the President's closest adviser--of "creating our own reality."
If pushing through the Patriot Act was the alleged main motivation for the 9/11 conspiracy then how do you argue the fact that America hasnt really changed after implementing the Act.
Noone is being rounded up except for a small number of alleged terrorists.
So the question still stands, whats the purpose of a "staged" 9/11 and whats the purpose of a "planned" Patriot Act????
Noone is being rounded up except for a small number of alleged terrorists.
So the question still stands, whats the purpose of a "staged" 9/11 and whats the purpose of a "planned" Patriot Act????
