China makes its play for Canada
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Vietnam, Korea, Iraq I and II, Israel, Palestine, Libya, Somalia, Syria, Grenada, Civil War, slavery and for bonus, genocide of indigenous.
Numbers may not be as high, but its a smaller country and they've been pretty continual.
It wouldn't be hard to pinpoint its origin if China was a free and open society.
So the biggest global event of the first quarter of this century should just chalked up as an outlier. You're not only underplaying the importance of the event, you're ignoring the future danger of gain of function research in a Chinese lab with questionable safety standards.
Uhh yeah, that's the point about misinformation and censorship. You don't know what is true and accurate.
So under your reasoning, we really can't be sure the virus wasn't developed in the United States either.
You have an unusual way of twisting things. You make the fact we don't know what is going on in China seem as if it is our flaw.
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Sure. But as long as we dont know, we dont know.
Well that's exactly why it is an outlier.
Pandemics of this magnitude dont happen that often.
Although its ironic you say that.
Not that I am blaming you here, but several of your conservative compatriots outright deny that COVID is a pandemic and refused to take the vaccine.
I am not denying that.
I am saying don't selectively complain about one misinformation and censorship and not the other.
I completely disagree. Presume there is a nefarious reason that a dictatorship is concealing information. That is most likely to keep eyes off the Wuhan Lab.
Go ahead argue that Wuhan Lab is none of the world's business. There is literally no one even attempting to jump in and support your perspective on China with the exception on the forum's pariah. On some level, you have been trying to legitimize the CCP's bad actions.
Maybe there is a nefarious reason.
Maybe there isn't any information to share.
We dont know.
But we have to acknowledge we dont know rather than inject our own biases to draw the conclusions we want.
I dont have any perspective on China and I dont believe I have expressed any.
I am saying Canada should diversify and trade with China despite the risks, just like we trade with the US while dealing with the risks of doing so.
Your interpretation of my statement above as legitimizing the CCP's actions is therefore a strawman.
You can blame Russia for that. Their greatest strength and accomplishment has been actively sowing fear, uncertainty and doubt. It weakens the world, thereby inceasing Russia's strength and influence. Both real and imagined.
So here is what we know about the sequence of events for covid. Im just quoting what i wrote in a previous post below. Im not sure how anyone can look at this objectively and have any doubts that the CCP had nefarious reasons. I suggest you google Dr. Li Wenliang or Taiwans initial response to covid but because they were shut out of the WHO (due to Chinas influence) all their warnings were not heard.
Id argue that UN forces intervening in Korea was completely just.
Again, you have active uyghur concentration camps, the annexation of Tibet, the crushing of freedom in HK, they also interceded in Vietnam, plus a kill count of Mao that is greater than hitler, Stalin, pol pot combined
I am glad you said it. I was thinking it.
For some of us of a certain age, much of it sounds so eerily familiar. My perspective is that we have been down this path before where some view the world through a moral equivalency between large powers. It doesn't register with people that in Canada and the U.S. they have the freedom to have such questions and doubts.
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Didn't see this last part you added.
I am not twisting anything.
You need to be okay with accepting limbo and a state of not knowing.
You seem upset that I am not willing to go further than "We don't know" to blame China, because they have a history of censorship, when there is clearly no conclusive evidence we have on hand.
And we likely will never have it either.
That is why we need to question both parties.
We have the freedom to do so.
The US and China are political rivals.
Given the US history of lying about countries (Iraq for example), it is equally likely that they put out an ambiguous statement about China to pressure them.
Or maybe like you said China is infact hiding something.
Either way, in the absence of data, the only logical conclusion you can draw is that we dont know and we likely never will.
Some censorship with chinese characteristicsComparing the chinese censorship apparatus to that in the west
On April 11, at the headquarters of Hongdou Real Estate in Jiangyin City, Wuxi City, Jiangsu Province, people gathered to protest against the delayed delivery of houses, and the police arrested people for maintaining stability. The message from the owners' group was that the company involved did not provide a solution and had been delaying delivery.
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For Uyghur, the US has the Gaza concentration camp, with bonus genocide.
Lets just say both are pretty shitty, I'm not really interested in doing the mass death olympics.
