Civil War: MAGA in Turmoil

Valcazar

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again, Generals have briefed Sec Hegseth that the boat was surveilled... This no difference than obama operation in Libya...we won't get to see evidence because they will h ave it classified...
The Obama drone strikes that people were so opposed to?
 

richaceg

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It isn't about my world. I am talking about the diversity and complexity of the world in general.
The far right always seem to yearn to go back to this idyllic non-existent past, where things were much "simpler".
Far right are the definition of nazis the ones who want jews gone the ones who try to purge what they consider "burden" to their society...which group supports purging unborn children out of convenience again?
 

Valcazar

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This is what happens when you put lipstick on a pig like Hegseth - an insecure, wannabe tough guy, and give him some power.
He was probably foaming at the mouth to order that air strike and show everybody what a badass he really was.
One of the reasons he was hired was because he argued in favor of Trump pardoning that war criminal.
Trump used to campaign on the idea the US should commit war crimes.
Hesgeth argued that the rules of engagement have to be relaxed so that the US is feared more.

None of this is surprising.
 

WyattEarp

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I think it is much more likely that the enforcement will be an issue.
Very little of the discussion has been about immigration policy.
It's been about the raids, the enforcement, the lack of due process, and so on.

As far as the bit about focusing on immigrants who committed crimes, that's such a big deal because that is how Trump and the GOP framed it much of the time.
They pitched the whole "immigrant crime wave" narrative and insisted they were deporting "the worst of the worst" and so on.
By centring the focus on crime and criminals, they made the conversation about that very thing.
I don't think a 53% disapproval rate is a strong enough reading. This with the backdrop that many people don't respond to pollsters honestly or at all.

Again, it's the economy stupid TERBites.

And for the umpteenth time, the midterms will likely be at a minimum a Blue tide if not a wave. I don't even know what would be considered a great Democratic midterm as opposed to a good midterm. 10 House seats, 20 seats, 30 seats? You're a Poli Sci junkie, you know that a 20 seat swing could easily swing back in 2028 if the economy is in good shape.
 

Valcazar

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PS- Valcazar and other Americans here are probably laughing to themselves re: your naive ideas above. Don't worry. More informed American progressives here will never contradict your ideas. They will just sit back and let you ride on your misinformation. You've been on the board long enough to know they will allow you speak out of turn.
Don't put words in my mouth, Wyatt.

Are you disputing that undocumented immigrants are a major contributor to the US economy?
 

Valcazar

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I don't know about alpha males, but from my experience in life this study is spot on

Strong men are usually conservative

You didn't read the article, did you?
 

Valcazar

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Deporting tears families apart, and the Trump administration is sending refugees back to places where they face persecution, torture and death.
This is part of the logic of getting rid of birthright citizenship.
It looks bad to deport the parents and keep the kid.
If the kid doesn't have citizenship, you can deport the whole family without people complaining.
 

mandrill

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This is part of the logic of getting rid of birthright citizenship.
It looks bad to deport the parents and keep the kid.
If the kid doesn't have citizenship, you can deport the whole family without people complaining.
Can't you do that anyway by saying that the US doesn't have the resources to take care of the child-citizen? So the child should be sent back with its parents and return when it's 18 or 21 if it's still alive and can physically get to the US and prove it's a citizen.
 

WyattEarp

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Don't put words in my mouth, Wyatt.
First, you cut-off the context of the discussion not to mention I used the qualifier "probably". The longer a discussion goes on the original poster tends to become untethered from the realities. In other words, they will go to any lengths to make any point that supports their worldview.

In the context of the discussion, the OP said illegal immigrants in the U.S. are denied services. I demonstrated that their children can enroll in school and they have access to emergency care. We can quibble about whether that is too little. But we also know many states offer much more assistance to illegal immigrants. So that is why the OP was bullshitting, riffing what have you.

And I still think progressives in general value group identity too much and support the group almost unconditionally on social media.

Since my post was not demeaning towards you and it was qualified, I don't know what the fuss is.
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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In the context of the discussion, the OP said illegal immigrants in the U.S. are denied services.
No, I did not say that.
I said undocumented immigrants are denied most social services. Which is accurate.
If anything, they do not qualify for most social services because of their lack of papers.
 
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