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silentkisser said:
There are many reasons for Canada's declining productivity, and while immigration is the list, it isn't the biggest factor. Canadian businesses have historically been slow to modernize and buy new equipment/software that would improve productivity, compared to US or European businesses. There are other issues right now, specifically Trump's tariffs, which has increased business uncertainty and seen divestment from companies (like Stellantis). Canadian businesses are also less inclined, for the most part, to invest in R&D, which means innovation is lacking. But, you are correct, having more immigrants does diminish productivity levels. However, the argument can be made that they help bolster the economy, since they buy more goods and services. Yes, I understand they can cause inflationary growth as well, but that's not always a bad thing (inflation is growth, and the Bank of Canada wants the Canadian economy to see around 2% inflation to be healthy).
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Sorry but you have repeatedly leaned on the excuse of this year's tariffs to partially explain away fifteen years of slow growth. Trudeau was a dead man walking before Trump was elected.

Again, I am not against immigration. However, I think the surge in immigration in 2021-2023 was not good for the U.S.
Canadians have to decide if the immigration policies of the last ten years was good for the country.

You might be somewhat trapped in the TDS dilemma. It's where one feels forced into a policy position on the basis that one cannot appear to be sympathizing with a Trump policy. It's fairly easy to detect. People here often repeat something on mainstream media that doesn't have any context with the issues, the challenges and even the actions of predecessors.
 
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Phil C. McNasty said:
I don't know about alpha males, but from my experience in life this study is spot on

Strong men are usually conservative

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Strong men come across as more conservative, study finds

A study published in Personality and Individual Differences found that physically strong men are perceived as more conservative. The research indicated that physically strong men are viewed as favoring policies that support competition and hierarchy, and such men are also seen as likely to value...
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The definition of strength varies.
While someone might be a meathead, they may not necessarily be emotionally strong as individuals, which is more important to get through life.
There are also studies that show that conservatives are usually less intelligent than liberals.
Example study:
Conservatism and cognitive ability are negatively correlated. The evidence is based on 1254 community college students and 1600 foreign students seeking entry to United States' universities. At the individual level of analysis, conservatism scores correlate negatively with SAT, Vocabulary, and Analogy test scores. At the national level of analysis, conservatism scores correlate negatively with measures of education (e.g., gross enrollment at primary, secondary, and tertiary levels) and performance on mathematics and reading assessments from the PISA (Programme for International Student Assessment) project.
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I would go out on a limb, based on this to comment that conservatives, especially physically strong men who are conservatives, who are offended by most things that are unconventional, are infact emotionally weak and unintelligent.
 
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Shaquille Oatmeal said:
The definition of strength varies.
While someone might be a meathead, they may not necessarily be emotionally strong as individuals, which is more important to get through life.
There are also studies that show that conservatives are usually less intelligent than liberals.

I would go out on a limb, based on this to comment that conservatives, especially physically strong men who are conservatives, who are offended by most things that are unconventional, are infact emotionally weak and unintelligent.
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my study has a different outcome fam...lmao
 
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WyattEarp said:
You can accomplish the same result by hiring the neighbor's son or an underemployed American.
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Sure, in theory.
In reality, your neighbour's son, or an unemployed American (I did not use undermeployed American on purpose because hiring them to mow lawns is the actual act of underemploying them), is going to ask you for more money, and do a poorer job due to not being used to doing physical labour as much as the undocumented migrant.
Hence, you are going to pay more, for the work that is also going to take longer to complete.
Hence your productivity is going to go down.
Essentially your premise, that Americans can seamlessly substitute for undocumented workers at equal productivity and cost is flawed.
 
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WyattEarp said:
Producers across the country depend on programs like the Temporary Foreign Worker Program and the Seasonal Agricultural Worker Program to meet essential labour needs—particularly during peak growing and harvest periods.

In parallel, greater investment in automation and precision agriculture will help reduce labour intensity in key areas of production.

Another key pillar is building a stronger domestic workforce. That means investing in skills training, promoting careers in agriculture, and removing barriers to entry for underrepresented groups—including youth, newcomers, and Indigenous communities.

Don't you hate when CIBC pretzels?
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I don't think that is a pretzel.
I am generally in agreement that we should reduce low skilled labour immigration and instead boost high skilled labour immigration and make up for the labour shortage in low skilled jobs via automation.
However that is not an overnight change.
So it is accurate to say that the TFW and SAW programs help producers across the country. They also argue for parallel investments in automation that can help reduce this dependence in the long run. So that is consistent.
Then they talk about investing in skills training, and removing barriers for minorities, which is again consistent with helping reduce dependence on foreign labour.
 
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WyattEarp said:
Sorry but you have repeatedly leaned on the excuse of this year's tariffs to partially explain away fifteen years of slow growth. Trudeau was a dead man walking before Trump was elected.

Again, I am not against immigration. However, I think the surge in immigration in 2021-2023 was not good for the U.S.
Canadians have to decide if the immigration policies of the last ten years was good for the country.

You might be somewhat trapped in the TDS dilemma. It's where one feels forced into a policy position on the basis that one cannot appear to be sympathizing with a Trump policy. It's fairly easy to detect. People here often repeat something on mainstream media that doesn't have any context with the issues, the challenges and even the actions of predecessors.
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Look, I'm not going to re-litigate all of Trudeau's foibles and mistakes. But businesses not re-investing in themselves pre-dates Trudeau. Even when Harper was PM and the CAD was at or above the USD, few companies put out the cash to upgrade equipment. And, while it is easy to blame former PMs (and some of it is justified), the tariffs have caused a huge amount of uncertainty in the Canadian economy. As mentioned, look at how the US automakers are pivoting to moving production to the US. If you're a Canadian part maker like Magna or Linamar, you might hold off on some capital upgrades.

And, I don't understand where you think I have TDS. The reality is he's thrown a monkey wrench into global trade, and hasn't really accomplished much for it. As a significantly smaller economy to the US, we only have so much we can do. These are facts, and one of the reasons why Carney has been working to expand Canada's international reach in trade. I also think that there are many on here, yourself included, that want to go for the simplest answers. It is easy to blame Trudeau but neglect what Harper did. It is easy to say immigration is a major cause of stuff when there has been historic under-investment by Canadian companies for decades. But, as I've said, none of these issues are simple and easy to solve. The problems are not from one policy decision or something that was done in the last decade.
 
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silentkisser said:
Look, I'm not going to re-litigate all of Trudeau's foibles and mistakes. But businesses not re-investing in themselves pre-dates Trudeau. Even when Harper was PM and the CAD was at or above the USD, few companies put out the cash to upgrade equipment. And, while it is easy to blame former PMs (and some of it is justified), the tariffs have caused a huge amount of uncertainty in the Canadian economy. As mentioned, look at how the US automakers are pivoting to moving production to the US. If you're a Canadian part maker like Magna or Linamar, you might hold off on some capital upgrades.

And, I don't understand where you think I have TDS. The reality is he's thrown a monkey wrench into global trade, and hasn't really accomplished much for it. As a significantly smaller economy to the US, we only have so much we can do. These are facts, and one of the reasons why Carney has been working to expand Canada's international reach in trade. I also think that there are many on here, yourself included, that want to go for the simplest answers. It is easy to blame Trudeau but neglect what Harper did. It is easy to say immigration is a major cause of stuff when there has been historic under-investment by Canadian companies for decades. But, as I've said, none of these issues are simple and easy to solve. The problems are not from one policy decision or something that was done in the last decade.
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No one is saying everything goes back to Trudeau, but ten years is a good long run to analyze policy.

I only point out the words you use (thousands of immigrants as opposed to millions) because it might reveal a deep-seated bias.
For instance, we keep hearing about Carney's international trade push. The tip of that spear has to be fossil fuels which you are not noting specifically. Where does that take us back to? Trudeau's energy policy.

No offense, China and Europe don't want Canada's manufactured goods. I could say the same for the U.S.' manufactured goods, but we are the world's largest consumer.

PS- You are upside down on your currency thinking. A weak Canadian Dollar should encourage investment if government policy makes it conducive. Canadian businesses can take advantage of their lower cost structure vis-a-vis that of its neighbor less than 100 miles to the south.
 
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Sorry to interrupt yet another discussion about why immigration and race are still the most important issues to the MAGA base, but this is quite something:
Today FIFA, who has been worried about american support for the world cup next year, decided the best plan was to make up a 'peace award' to give to trump.
The best way to gain support is to treat him like a toddler and give him a fake medal.

He really comes across as child like, as a dementia riddled mind that has been fixated on not winning the Nobel like his election losses.
This is so embarrassing.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1996997415275057506
 
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WyattEarp said:
PS- You are upside down on your currency thinking. A weak Canadian Dollar should encourage investment if government policy makes it conducive. Canadian businesses can take advantage of their lower cost structure vis-a-vis that of its neighbor less than 100 miles to the south.
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Part of the issue with the weaker dollar is that we did benefit from having it in the sense that we could build things cheaper to the US. But, it also crimped investment because the majority of industrial machinery needed to modernize production is foreign built. Germany, France, US, Japan, all expect to be paid in USD, Euros or Yen. A weak CAD does not give ANY advantage to things like that. And Canada has done a lot to make things easier for companies, like lowering their tax rate. Did that increase capital investments? Not really.
 
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