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I'm in my early 50s and I've been angry for many years. Angry with my wife for being frigid. Angry with my kids for ignoring my advice. Angry with my bosses for being incompetent.

This recently came to a head with my family. I went on holiday with my sister's family. Her husband is a total asshole. After a week of being in close quarters with this piece of shit, I told him to just fuck off.

Obviously this is really tough for my sister but she points out I'm just too angry, and she's right. She told me I should see someone and get help.

My question is, who should I see? How do you find a competent person who can actually sort out a lost cause like me? Do I need a shrink, a guru, a spirit guide? Or just spend the rest of my life angry and miserable.
 
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I have been with Toronto Psychotherapy Space for just over a year and so has my wife. They’ve done wonders. You can look at the therapist profile and see which one best suits your needs.
Good luck mate
 
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It might be an idea to ask your family doctor for advice.
Even if it is to refer you to someone you can have a few good conversations with. It doesn't have to be, "Therapy4Eva!". You can do it with an eye to getting what you need to get off your chest, and coming up with some coping strategies that don't involve walking around argry all of the time.

My completely unqualified advice is to make the time to take a good walk in some green-ish space every day, or almost every day... (The GTA has plenty of trails.) It's good for the BP, it will make you physically and mentally feel better, and it will give you a chance to think.
 
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In AA they talk about gratitude. You have a wife and kids. Check that box. You have a job. Check that box. You have people like your brother-in-law who you can avoid. Check that box. You presumably still have your health, although maybe not mental health so much. Check that box. You can seek out a shrink to talk to. You can also see working girls for some relief. Check that box. Gratitude might be a place to start. Hope things get better for you.
I used to watch a guy on youtube. I quite liked him. His point is that you created the life you have. Every iota. I tend to think " a day not spent in Auschwitz is a good day"
 

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I went on holiday with my sister's family. Her husband is a total asshole. After a week of being in close quarters with this piece of shit, I told him to just fuck off.
Not your wife and kids fault you took a vacation with your sisters family. If you know the husband's an asshole, why subject yourself (and them) to this? Everyone's got relatives they cant stand. They don't take vacations with them. They take vacations to get away from them.
 
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Find out why these things are making you so angry and then deal with those issues.
I think most people would see their bosses as incompetent.
 
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A good psychologist is what you need, and not a social worker who pretends to know about human behaviour. To find a good psychologist is difficult, but rewarding. Be prepared to spend hours and dollars, but the results will be worth it all.
Agree. A qualified clinical psychologist, who is a licensed psychotherapist. I have found this very helpful for mental health problems that have reared their ugly head and threatened to derail my life from time to time. Hard to find one on your own, and the average GP, often does not know the local psychotherapy community that well. Need to be resourceful and do your research and then try someone out. As said above, it’s costly (anywhere between 100-200/h) and you will need several sessions to see results. My only misfortune is that I have had a couple very good therapists, who unfortunately retired and left me hanging, which sucks.
 

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I'm in my early 50s and I've been angry for many years. Angry with my wife for being frigid. Angry with my kids for ignoring my advice. Angry with my bosses for being incompetent.

This recently came to a head with my family. I went on holiday with my sister's family. Her husband is a total asshole. After a week of being in close quarters with this piece of shit, I told him to just fuck off.

Obviously this is really tough for my sister but she points out I'm just too angry, and she's right. She told me I should see someone and get help.

My question is, who should I see? How do you find a competent person who can actually sort out a lost cause like me? Do I need a shrink, a guru, a spirit guide? Or just spend the rest of my life angry and miserable.

I have THE PERFECT therapist for you! Seriously. His approach EXACTLY fits your situation.

His name is James Hall and he's on the Danforth.

James Hall MEd., MA (Cantab), CRPO Registered Psychotherapist. https://www.jameshalltherapy.com/

Along with being a great general Psychotherapist, one area of his practice is especially appropriate for what seems to be the core of what's troubling you. That being you harbour a lot of internal angst by having to put up with shit to keep the peace. This internalizing festers and becomes malignant.

Dr. Hall practices (among other techniques) is called "Gestalt Therapy". Stripped of all the fancy psychobabble, it comes down to you explaining to him what you're feeling (internalized anger due to frustration of dealing with what you think is bullshit or whatever just to keep the peace), and then once you go through a few sessions to share your experiences (this vacation Fuck Off for example), then you one-way role play by the therapist being the guy or your wife, boss whomever and then. you being able to tell them what you REALLY think. Something that you couldn't say face to face in real life.

In a case of conflicts like you describe, you could say to your kids something like, "You know guys, I'm not trying to be a controlling dictator, I'm just trying to pass on my life experience so that you can better succeed or not get yourself into trouble". But of course you go into as much detail as you want. Therapist might ask you to expand on something but will never be confrontational or be argumentative. It's not a shouting experience though. You could say "Boss, I respect your position and authority but FFS, just let me do my job as I AM competent, and you stick to YOUR job of MANAGING company resources in the optimal direction. "

He refers to it generally as "experiential therapy". It's more formally called "Gestalt Therapy". But when you inevitably Google "Gestalt Therapy" you're going to think it's kooky and too airy-fairy intellectual blabbering. Don't let it dissuade you from seeing him. He's $160 an hour, half the price of a HH Leolist therapy session, and well worth the gamble to see if it's the right thing for you.

In my case, I had/have a few people in my life that were scrrewing me over, but in the circumstances there was little I could do about it except ride it out. The role playing of me telling off a rich client who owed me a shit ton of money that I had to wait for, helped me get through that time without my frustration and anxiety boiling up inside me.

Another issue I wanted to deal with was the sudden cardiac death of one of my best friends or almost 40 years whom I put off calling back "in 10 minutes", and then forgot to. Two days later, his girlfriend called me and told me he had been found dead in his bed.

She asked what advice I gave him when he called to ask if he should go to the hospital because of indigestion and arm pain. He had first called her to say he wasn't feeling well but was just going to go lie down. She told him to go to the hospital immediately but he said he was going to first call me to ask my advice as he was vacationing in Florida at the time and didn't have health insurance so didn't want to go if it was a false alarm. (He was very wealthy and could afford to self-insure).

Imagine my guilt when this friend who we both confided our deepest secrets and gave each other extremely valuable advice, died because I didn't call him back to TELL HIM TO CALL 911 and tell them you are having heart attack symptoms.

With Dr. Hall I got the opportunity to let it all out and 'tell' my friend how much his friendship meant to me, what a difference he made in my life, how much I loved our global adventures as much as just him laughing his ass off when he was trying to teach me how to grade with a bulldozer, or when he switched the controls of his excavator he loaned me from Caterpillar to John Deere! And most importantly of all, I got to say sorry to him and explain that he had just called me when I woke up and had to have a piss, then realized I was going to be late for a flight so had to hustle. I know he would have understood, but it hurt me thinking that he died waiting for me to call him back when I said I would. Dr. Hall (James) played the role of my friend so well because we first spent a session talking in a casual conversational tone, as a patient-therapist so he could understand me, my friend and our relationship. The next session, James played the role of my friend and asked me to speak to him as if I were speaking to my friend and could tell him anything and everything I had felt, was feeling etc. James replied a few times to continue to prompt me and said a few things EXACTLY how my friend would have. The most important things being that he was already in his 70's (but looked 55) and had a great life, that I enriched his life and he hoped he had enriched mine, and that I was ALWAYS there for him to confide in (he was a rough-tough ex-pipeline equipment operator who went private and made a fortune, so he couldn't break his rough-tough persona to anyone except me) and so not to feel guilty for that ONE missed callback because I had been there for him so many times before.

Finally he asked "Would you do our friendship the favour of forgiving yourself and remembering me for all the times we had?" Just the way he said asked me lifted this heavy weight off my chest. I felt so much better. It was like waking up after surgery and not remembering the pain I went through... if that makes sense.

It was so cathartic and I finally felt, almost, fully at peace

When I was considering doing a self-guided psylocybin (Magic Mushrooms) trip to try to re-set my creativity, he was very helpful in guiding me to what pre-discover more explicitly what I wanted to accomplish. But to be clear... he is NOT a psylocybin, ketamine drug practioner, promoter or anything of the sort. He simply said there is ample scientific and research materials online to make my own decision on the matter and that he neither advocated for, nor dismissed to role of psychedelics. He did suggest that IF I were to pursue it, that I should both speak to my physician in case I had underlying health issues, and find a real psychedelic therapist before I made any decisions.

He is also someone you can seek counsel.advice on making things that are already good, better. It doesn't always have to be about solving problems.

I've not seen him in a year or so both because he helped me resolve and learn to deal with many issues (even just the issues of procrastination, losing my creative zest) and because not much is troubling me right now. But sometimes I would just go to have a chat with him for an hour about things I don't have a friend or family member that I would subject my idle musings aloud and rambling to! 😂 Whenever I leave his office, I'd leave happy!

I've recommended him to a few friends over the years that needed that kind of therapist and ALL have said he was exactly what they needed. In fact, I recommended him to a TERB member whom I became friends with offliine. He had one specific issue and said that while the matter was not fully resolved, that he felt way better as the matter became more of jsut an occasional thought, not all consuming.

Hope this helps and you get sorted out.









 

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Thru OHIP, some psychiatrists do psychotherapy, but they are becoming fewer and fewer, most choosing to practice more “medical” psychiatry. Also, the wait list will typically be very very long.
 

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Thru OHIP, some psychiatrists do psychotherapy, but they are becoming fewer and fewer, most choosing to practice more “medical” psychiatry. Also, the wait list will typically be very very long.
Agreed.

Psychiatry is more for psychiatric conditions that may require drugs. Like schizophrenia. Bi-Polar disorder, depression, ADHD etc etc. It's not really geared to therapeutic counselling relating to interpersonal relationships, self-esteem, talking your way through some mild to moderate trauma, coping strategies, bad habits, sex, gambling and other behavioural addictions or even just bad habits.
 
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Agreed.

Psychiatry is more for psychiatric conditions that may require drugs. Like schizophrenia. Bi-Polar disorder, depression, ADHD etc etc. It's not really geared to therapeutic counselling relating to interpersonal relationships, self-esteem, talking your way through some mild to moderate trauma, coping strategies, bad habits, sex, gambling and other behavioural addictions or even just bad habits.
Yes agree with you. Tho, there are some psychiatrists who do a lot of psychotherapy for conditions like anxiety, depression, ptsd, addiction etc, but I think they are dying breed. It is a bit of a shame because many of those psychiatric conditions you describe above, can be helped by talking therapies, often in combination with meds. When I first dealt with crushing depression I had a great old school psychiatrist (reminded me a bit of Dr Marvin Munroe from the Simpsons 😂). He knew the meds, and what they could help with and what their limitations were. A typical visit was 5-10 min talking about how I felt the meds were working, what side effects, if we should change dose, stop or add a new one. Then the remaining 45-50 min was a good old psychotherapy session where we’d get into some of the stuff that was underlying my problems, and also guiding me to realize I had more control over things than I realized. I mean the guy even had a couch in his office! Lol.
 
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Be prepared to spend hours and dollars, but the results will be worth it all.
I do, but not on psychotherapy. The results have been worth it, that part is true.
 

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My question is, who should I see? How do you find a competent person who can actually sort out a lost cause like me? Do I need a shrink, a guru, a spirit guide? Or just spend the rest of my life angry and miserable.
You could just start with talk Therapy with a practice that has lots of therapists. Commit to 4 sessions. If you like them, continue. If not, they could hand you off to somebody else or take a different approach. It's about the same price per hour as a rub & tug.

Have fun with it. I did. After about 5 sessions, she called me a "fucking little shit". I warned her she would develop 'feelings' for me. She was awesome. I liked Mehgan.
 
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Betterhelp.ca or .com was helpful. I did couples counseling through them. The therapist was 100% convinced im autistic. I am for sure and im a little angry I went my whole life struggling with it and being misunderstood and no one bothered to get me checked out when I was a kid.

Im not going to speculated on what your issues are because that's not my job but it was a cheap accessible way to get therapy from my own home.

I used to be really angry and what I learned from anger management was... to blame myself for everything essentially. It was a total waste if time. The real problem was I had incredibly selfish and narcissistic parents and I needed to stop talking to them. The minute I distanced myself from them my life got better.

I stopped being so angry because they stopped gaslighting me all the time. They stopped making me their punching bag. I stopped being their confidant and their ATM.

What really helped me understand why the world seemed so unfair was socio economics.

When I understood that the dumbest people from the richest families will always reach a level of success i can only dream of and get handed all the good jobs right out of school from family and friends...

And the smartest people from the poorest families.Will never reach that level of success and likely won't get a degree or go to college and even if they do they won't get the right internships and the right jobs and the right opportunities.

I have that dynamic in my own family. There's a rich side and there's a poor side. The rich side had everything handed to them and some of them have never worked a job that wasn't just given to them. They look down on the poor side. They think the poor side just isn't as deserving. Didn't work as hard and Isn't as superior as them... When in reality the poor side had to work. They had to work for other people and they didn't get to pick their vacation days and they didn't get to take holidays off. They didnt get to spend years in college burning their dads cash spinning their wheels. They didnt get to take months off and go on holidays.

My brother drives a fucking Lincoln. He owns two houses and he's never done an honest day's work. We don't even know what he does. The only job he's ever had that wasn't working for my family was Starbucks.

Do you see any Starbucks Baristas driving a Lincoln? If you want to talk about incompetent, if my other half of the family didn't have everything handed to them. They'd be living in a cardboard box.

Everywhere you look they're siphoning off money from my very elderly grandmother and taking anything they can get their hands on before she passes away.

These are people that have everything and we're given everything and it's never enough.They have to keep taking and taking until there's nothing left.

They have no real skills to speak of. They're just disgustingly wealthy and they want to keep it that way.

I've been angry my whole life watching that side of the family take everything and being completely ignored. I had to remove myself from the entire situation for years. My sister refuses to speak to these people. She's done all the work.She's done all the therapy. She's a social worker/ counselor / therapist she's been many things and worn many hats. She's dating a psychotherapist and the only thing she has determined that she can do is stay the fuck away from these people. To keep them at a distance and find her own peace.
 
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