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Pyro

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I care...

Quest4Less said:
I also don't care if they are evil, sick, or were abused as a child themselves....KILL them and be done with it.
What if you're wrong?

What if you think you've caught the perpetrator, you even get a confession for whatever reason (it does happen), and there follows an execution. Two years later, new evidence shows that the real criminal is someone else (perhaps he or she re-offended). The result is that a completely innocent life has been taken! This is a crime which is just a heinous and tragic as the original offence.

I don't have sympathy for paedophiles (or killers of any sort) but I do believe that until we can prove that our justice system is perfect (and obviously, that can never happen) we cannot morally be responsible for taking another life.

It is also dangerous to approach this argument from an emotional perspective. If someone I loved was sexually abused or killed I would certainly want them dead! I would probably want to kill them with my own hands! If my own relative was the victim, I would gladly hold down the perpetrator while my relatives took turns kicking and punching him (or her)! These are obvious and natural emotions; anyone who is so close to such a tragic crime would be sick not to feel some version of these emotions!

However, the purpose of the law and our legal system is to impose impartial and rational judgement on every defendant. We need to protect ourselves from the emotional highs and lows that can occur in the heat of a tragic moment. While our feelings in moments of stress can be intense, our judgement can often be impaired and if the law does not provide a buffer, there is a danger that much injustice will result.

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Heated discussion...

This is a really heated discussion and many harsh words have been spoken. I think it is important to remember that we all have much more in common here than we have to disagree with.
  • We all agree that abusing children is 100% wrong
  • We all have great sympathy for Cecilia Zhang and hope that she is recovered safely
  • We all agree that whoever is responsible for her disappearance has absolutely no place among free society.
Where we disagree, is only on how the perpetrator should be treated. In the grand scheme of things, this is far less important than the safe return of an innocent nine-year girl!

I think that the arguments would be much less heated if we were asking the question:
"Do you believe in Capital Punishment for a child killer who is 100% certain of being guilty without any mitigating circumstances?"
I think that in this hypothetical example, the choice is much more clear (though some may still disagree on principle - as is their right).

However, in real-life cases, we never have 100% certainty and we never have all the facts. Because we do not have the god-like power of absolute knowledge, we cannot be sure that our judgements are always correct. For this reason, many of of us are unwilling to impose the ultimate, irreversible, penalty.

Perhaps a separate thread about Capital Punishment would be interesting to debate in. However, it seems to me that this thread is about a real-life tragedy that affects us all in some way. Perhaps we should focus on what we know and how we feel for Cecilia and her family rather than descending to personal attacks over a political issue.

Just my feeling here.

Pyro.
 

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Time for a new thread??

I've got to echo most of Pyro's comments. We've got some wide- ranging views (from red neck to bleeding heart) but we seem to agree on some basic things. It certainly has generated a lively debate, most of it civilized.

Now that the investigators themselves appear to confirm that Ceceila (sp?) -- notice that most recent posts have barely mentioned her -- has beem kidnapped and is not dead maybe it's time to launch the whole CP debate as a separate thread.

Any thoughts, moderators????
 

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Re: Time for a new thread??

Gord's Bro said:
Any thoughts, moderators????
I can't say that this thread has wandered very much off topic, so this is a Capital Punishment thread...
 

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Re: I care...

Pyro said:
What if you're wrong?

What if you think you've caught the perpetrator, you even get a confession for whatever reason (it does happen), and there follows an execution. Two years later, new evidence shows that the real criminal is someone else (perhaps he or she re-offended). The result is that a completely innocent life has been taken! This is a crime which is just a heinous and tragic as the original offence.Pyro.
If a person admits to the crime, or is convicted with todays DNA tech., then that is good enough for me.
 
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Re: Re: Time for a new thread??

Goober Mcfly said:
I can't say that this thread has wandered very much off topic, so this is a Capital Punishment thread...
Okay, I stand corrected. Spank me! (Not you Goober but a cute, petite, MPA or SP)

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