Daniel Dale on what happened near the mayor’s home

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So what's the over/under on when people start using the expression " as brave as a Toronto Star reporter" ?
 

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Right up there with "as smart as a Sun reader".
The Star is as big a piece of shit rag as the Sun.

And not just about Ford. These guys were involved in recruiting Ignatieff. Then they made him out to be the second coming. Then on the morning of the election they endorse Layton.

They are whores of the left. Period. Dirtbags, sleazy, and beyond redemption. It is a propaganda mouthpiece for the ultra-left and unions.
 

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The Star is as big a piece of shit rag as the Sun.

And not just about Ford. These guys were involved in recruiting Ignatieff. Then they made him out to be the second coming. Then on the morning of the election they endorse Layton.

They are whores of the left. Period. Dirtbags, sleazy, and beyond redemption. It is a propaganda mouthpiece for the ultra-left and unions.
You're unable to see beyond the editorial bias, I think, that's your limitation, not the Star's. The Star's investigative journalists broke the nanny scandal, and ORNGE. They are credible, and they do not allow the paper's editorial bent to limit the stories they will run. As you are hopefully aware most newspapers, the Star included, take a certain level of pride in keeping a firewall between their editorial department and their news reporting organization. Perhaps the Sun is an exception to that rule.

In fact, the Star is one of the few media organizations in Canada still doing credible journalism. The National Post, the Globe & Mail, and most of the rest, just print regurgitated CBC news, having cut their own investigative staff, they rely on the CBC to bring them the news, and then just put their own slant on it, much of the time. The National Post in particular seems to have replaced its entire investigative department with opinion writers.

The National Post was actually a much better newspaper back when Conrad Black was running it. He actually ran it as a newspaper, and spent money on journalism rather than columnists. He pissed people off by centralizing resources, but he did pay people to go out and find stories, something Quebecor is now much more loathe to do. The Globe still does do investigative journalism, but it's been hobbled by staff cuts.
 

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You're unable to see beyond the editorial bias, I think, that's your limitation, not the Star's. The Star's investigative journalists broke the nanny scandal, and ORNGE. They are credible, and they do not allow the paper's editorial bent to limit the stories they will run. As you are hopefully aware most newspapers, the Star included, take a certain level of pride in keeping a firewall between their editorial department and their news reporting organization. Perhaps the Sun is an exception to that rule.

In fact, the Star is one of the few media organizations in Canada still doing credible journalism. The National Post, the Globe & Mail, and most of the rest, just print regurgitated CBC news, having cut their own investigative staff, they rely on the CBC to bring them the news, and then just put their own slant on it, much of the time. The National Post in particular seems to have replaced its entire investigative department with opinion writers.

The National Post was actually a much better newspaper back when Conrad Black was running it. He actually ran it as a newspaper, and spent money on journalism rather than columnists. He pissed people off by centralizing resources, but he did pay people to go out and find stories, something Quebecor is much more loathe to do.
O.K., Fuji keep on drinking the koolaid. There is nothing credible about the Star. It's as big a piece of shit as the Sun. Even their Metroland brand in the GTA suburbs are referred to as nothing but flyer wraps. There is no credible reporting. It's leftist bent crap just like the Sun is rightist bent crap.
 

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dirk076 said:
O.K., Fuji keep on drinking the koolaid. There is nothing credible about the Star. It's as big a piece of shit as the Sun. Even their Metroland brand in the GTA suburbs are referred to as nothing but flyer wraps. There is no credible reporting. It's leftist bent crap just like the Sun is rightist bent crap.
Well you haven't given any reasons why anybody should believe you and you haven't denied that the Star breaks major stories that damage the left, like ORNGE, so i think you are just angry and ill informed.
 

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Phil C. McNasty said:
You're trying to argue with a pedant.
Its useless, guys like him will just obfuscate like crazy and throw walls of text at you
Actually all I did was throw facts at him, and then noted they he had none on his side.
 

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Fuji, all media lie like crazy to suit their political agendas. The Star does it too, but you strike me as left-wing so you less likely to notice it
 

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Phil C. McNasty said:
Fuji, all media lie like crazy to suit their political agendas. The Star does it too, but you strike me as left-wing so you less likely to notice it
I simply don't believe that. Most media organizations do not lie like crazy. The Sun is perhaps an exception. Left or right the rest do take pains to check facts.

I am neither left nor right. I'm pro free market, anti union, strongly in favor of democracy and human rights, fiscally conservative, but appreciative of the benefits of a managed market, and the social safety net. I don't really fit on the left right spectrum, and have at one time or another voted conservative, liberal, and ndp.

If you need to label me call me a rational democrat.
 

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I will be very surprised if this paranoid demeaning and easily-dsitracted individual will be able to negotiate a billion-dollar casino/entertainment complex.
 

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I simply don't believe that. Most media organizations do not lie like crazy. The Sun is perhaps an exception. Left or right the rest do take pains to check facts.
Dale wrote an article about the late Wendy Bacock. One as aspect of that article was challenged by a close relative of Wendy. The Star defended the article by saying that it was simply quoting Wendy verbatim, not saying what Wendy was saying was actually true.

The Star did have a good article on Nina "the tenant from hell" this past Saturday.
 

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... false reporting from Star who says he "assaulted the footplayers when Rob Ford was a coach"...
Over beers, one of the coaches at the time seemed to back up the star's story, saying it went further than the usual football coach yelling.
 

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I heard people were standing just outside White House property taking pictures. Maybe Obama should run out and threaten them.
 

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I still think Dale went to Ford's home to rile him up and see if he could get a response out of him. Why else do it at around 7:30 PM, thats the perfect time, right after dinner and exactly when people dont wanna be bothered.
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The fact that our Mayor is that easily riled speaks volumes.
 

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Moviefan-2 said:
Maybe. We'll have to see whether or not he really does attend the Pride Parade.
I am planning to, unless it rains or something. It's always fun to go, especially with a date.
 

MattRoxx

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Yeah I don't see the supposed 'stigma' of checking out the Pride Parade. It's fun, funny, and colourful.
Are there actually terbites who are against people putting on a display to celebrate their sexuality?! That's perverse if true.
 
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