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Personally I think tenants rights have gone too far and as a result thousands of apts remain unrented as people just don't wanna deal with it. There SHOULD be a black list, it should work like a credit rating. If people are bad tenants they deserve to be homeless.
Which tenant rights have gone too far?
 

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That's because the market was in an overpriced bubble and collapsed.

And traffic and over-building issues are making downtown a less desirable location than the burbs now - which is the polar opposite of how things used to be.
That said there are still 20k apts and the builders are bleeding. If it were not for the rental laws they might rent those and generate some revenue.
 
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Sure, buy a micro condo or two.
And buy a time share in Jamaica today as well, another smart investment.
I already do and they are great passive income thank you. A few are built before 2018 but the tenants are great so I have no issue and no desire for them to leave.

Its worth noting that the libs and ndp did way better than Ford, it was only their refusal to do seat sharing that kept DoFo in power.
Talk about grasping at straws! You do realize Ford has a majority right??
 
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Shaquille Oatmeal

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Yes, I do because when I purchase a condo for investment purposes, I make sure it's built after 2018. Rent controls do not benefit me as an investor, although the topic of this thread is the new changes that were proposed, and he backed away from.

Once again, you love moving the goal posts to suit your narrative.
They should expand rent control for all units, including ones built after 2018.
I think in general buying up condos for investments need to be discouraged as that is one of the main culprits in driving up housing prices.
Most people who buy for investments dont even take possession of a new condo.
They just jack up the price right when it is ready and sell it to another and pocket the spread. Its BS.
 
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Anbarandy

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That said there are still 20k apts and the builders are bleeding. If it were not for the rental laws they might rent those and generate some revenue.
Boo-hoo-hooo, cry us a river and sing dem low down, developer/investor blues.

The same merchants of greed who have been the main contributors to the housing mess u whine about now.
 
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They should bring expand rent control for all units, including ones built after 2018.
I think in general buying up condos for investments need to be discouraged as that is one of the main culprits in driving up housing prices.
Most people who buy for investments dont even take possession of a new condo.
They just jack up the price right when it is ready and sell it to another and pocket the spread. Its BS.
Investors have stopped purchasing condos because of the carrying costs vs rental income and this is what's crashing the condo market. End users have never been a big enough market to carry all the condos being built. The reason many decide to keep them empty because it is so hard to get rid of troublesome tenants and that is not fair to investors. Doug should focus on allowing Landlords to quickly evict non-paying and troublesome tenants. Most landlords, myself included, would never want to see good tenants go, rent controls or not.

Shaq, on a different tangent..

Can you settle a point between Frankie and me?

Is the topic of this thread in regards to the new changes Ford proposed and backed away from?
 

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Give me a break, you asked about rent control, I answered and then you had a meltdown because you wanted to talk about the leasing changes.
I suppose your comment about making money is at the core of conservative values. Screw the common good if you can make a bit of cash personally.

Long term it won't work, and if you've invested in a condo you probably also noticed prices crashing. Nobody is buying micro condos and builds are stopping.
But if the rental market isn't healthy or kids can't make enough to rent or buy here then you're resale will have issues.
I'm not melting down at all. NO, my purchases are still in the green if I wanted to sell , but I don't. All are leased with great tenants. I am looking to buy a few more for the right price, but all built after 2018.
 

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No shit, huh?

Especially considering that investors basically priced end users out of the market and that builders built for investors not end users.

Noooo!!!! Builders have been designing condos with investors in mind for years, not families. The layouts, the sizes, even the amenities are tailored to maximize rentability and minimize cost, not to support long-term living.

Now that investors have pulled back, the market’s exposed. Families were never the core condo buyers to begin with, they’ve always preferred freeholds. The real end-users buying condos are typically young singles or couples who can’t yet afford a house and are fine with “living in a box” temporarily while they get established.

If interest rates eventually drop enough to make carrying costs and rental income balance out again, investors might re-enter the market. And frankly, re-opening the door to foreign buyers would also give the condo sector a much-needed jolt, like it or not, that demand helped keep projects moving.
 

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What does that have to do with bad tenants or tenant rights?
It has everything to do with it. The owners of these condos want to keep them saleable. You cannot write a lease with termination terms outside the LTA even if both parties agree. So the owners of these condos cannot write a lease that says if I sell this condo, you have to leave with 3 m notice in return for a favorable rent for example. So they sit empty and people search frantically for housing.
 

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Investors have stopped purchasing condos because of the carrying costs vs rental income and this is what's crashing the condo market. End users have never been a big enough market to carry all the condos being built. The reason many decide to keep them empty because it is so hard to get rid of troublesome tenants and that is not fair to investors. Doug should focus on allowing Landlords to quickly evict non-paying and troublesome tenants. Most landlords, myself included, would never want to see good tenants go, rent controls or not.
Well, that is the problem I am trying to highlight.
The fact that only investors are able to carry the market is because it is so overpriced, and it is overpriced because of these investors. Vicious cycle.
The other downside to allowing investors to buy up condos is builders building pigeon pens - 300sqft (like WTF) condos, that nobody sane can live in and wants to BUY to live in.
They are solely rental units bought by investors.
And what happens when you buy overpriced 300sqft condos? You rent it out for 2500 a month (?!!).
The change needs to be for builders to build atleast 600 to 700 sqft condos, that are sold to people who want to LIVE there.
We have plenty of new and young immigrants in Toronto, and a more affordable housing market is needed for them to secure housing.
Shaq, on a different tangent..

Can you settle a point between Frankie and me?

Is the topic of this thread in regards to the new changes Ford proposed and backed away from?
I posted about Ford's bill yes. But when has any thread stayed on topic? lmao.
 
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It has everything to do with it. The owners of these condos want to keep them saleable. You cannot write a lease with termination terms outside the LTA even if both parties agree. So the owners of these condos cannot write a lease that says if I sell this condo, you have to leave with 3 m notice in return for a favorable rent for example. So they sit empty and people search frantically for housing.
That doesn't answer my question.
I understand why someone might keep it empty, but what does it have to do with bad tenants?
Not being able to write a landlord favourable lease is different than a non-paying tenant.
 
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Noooo!!!! Builders have been designing condos with investors in mind for years, not families. The layouts, the sizes, even the amenities are tailored to maximize rentability and minimize cost, not to support long-term living.

Now that investors have pulled back, the market’s exposed. Families were never the core condo buyers to begin with, they’ve always preferred freeholds. The real end-users buying condos are typically young singles or couples who can’t yet afford a house and are fine with “living in a box” temporarily while they get established.

If interest rates eventually drop enough to make carrying costs and rental income balance out again, investors might re-enter the market. And frankly, re-opening the door to foreign buyers would also give the condo sector a much-needed jolt, like it or not, that demand helped keep projects moving.
That prioritizes investors over families and international investors over Canadians.

Its bad enough that we are starting to see corporate investors taking over rentals in Canada but the fact that housing is not being built for families and new families is a bigger problem. Maybe it sucks if you're not getting rich off it but it sucks more that kids can't afford to rent or buy on working salaries now.

Housing is one of the bigger issues in this country, it needs to be moved away from investment material to a necessity.
 
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