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Ghbff

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Gee. That's never been something I've dealt with.

Meanwhile I spent 16 years in school buildings (including kindergarten and day care) counting on janitors to keep the place clean and repair broken things, secretaries that helped out in all sorts of issues, and ece workers helping out when class sizes were too big.

Police aren't allowed to strike but they have independent arbitrators to determine their contracts. If CUPE workers are essential, they should have the same right instead of having contracts imposed on them.
This guy is a typical bootlicker who clearly has no respect for janitors or people that he views as beneath him (minorities, LGBTQ, the disabled etc) and it clearly shows with his simping for Doug Ford
 
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Darts

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Some members here are really race obsessed.

I was only pointing out that there are more problems in our schools than just education workers/teachers demanding more money. Of course, one of the problems is students shooting other students.
 

Darts

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The union doesn't seem to know but I think they actually do know, we can't spend all our money on them. This Laura Walton person keeps saying shit like we have the money to cut the gas tax, she thinks we should give all that money to them. Some of us buy gas and we deserve a gas tax cut. Why should the education worker/teachers get all the money?
 

JohnLarue

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The union doesn't seem to know but I think they actually do know, we can't spend all our money on them. This Laura Walton person keeps saying shit like we have the money to cut the gas tax, she thinks we should give all that money to them. Some of us buy gas and we deserve a gas tax cut. Why should the education worker/teachers get all the money?
there are many stakeholders here,' parents, taxpayers, government and the unions
of course there are the students

parents , taxpayers & government all have the interests of students as top of mind, while also recognizing all parties are stakeholders, some even recognize government financial stability for the critical contstraint that is

The unions however are unique as they act in the interest of only one stakeholder ....themselves

This dynamic is unsustainable as the public sector unions will drive the province into insolvency and that will hurt every single person in the province
 
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Frankfooter

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The union doesn't seem to know but I think they actually do know, we can't spend all our money on them. This Laura Walton person keeps saying shit like we have the money to cut the gas tax, she thinks we should give all that money to them. Some of us buy gas and we deserve a gas tax cut. Why should the education worker/teachers get all the money?
Ford spent gave up a billion in yearly income when he cancelled the license stickers.
Its his choice, its not what we can or can't afford.
 

Anbarandy

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there are many stakeholders here,' parents, taxpayers, government and the unions
of course there are the students

parents , taxpayers & government all have the interests of students as top of mind, while also recognizing all parties are stakeholders, some even recognize government financial stability for the critical contstraint that is

The unions however are unique as they act in the interest of only one stakeholder ....themselves

This dynamic is unsustainable as the public sector unions will drive the province into insolvency and that will hurt every single person in the province
:geek: :LOL::ROFLMAO:
 

silentkisser

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there are many stakeholders here,' parents, taxpayers, government and the unions
of course there are the students

parents , taxpayers & government all have the interests of students as top of mind, while also recognizing all parties are stakeholders, some even recognize government financial stability for the critical contstraint that is

The unions however are unique as they act in the interest of only one stakeholder ....themselves

This dynamic is unsustainable as the public sector unions will drive the province into insolvency and that will hurt every single person in the province
It is never a surprise to see this right-wing spin on any union negotiation between the government and its workers, especially when it comes to the education sector. They never value what these workers do, and it's always "shut up and be thankful we pay you!" Then the next thing they say is, "if you don't like the pay, get a better job!" And then they wonder why we have shortages of workers.

The Ontario government had a budget surplus in the education portfolio. The PCs (and the Liberals before them) froze this unions pay for many years, and offered them meagre increases. The current talks are showing they aren't willing to pay more, despite an era of high inflation, where these workers might struggle to pay rent of feed their families. And, yes, the Union is focused on its members and their wellbeing. That's what ALL unions do. Why is that surprising?

When did the right become capitalist cucks? Where they always like that? Big business is all about grinding workers down, which is why they hate unions.
 

bazokajoe

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I spent 30 years in a union. Trust me, the union only thinks of itself.
The province and support workers agreed on wages but union wants more people hired. More union workers = more union dues = bigger pay for union executives.
That's the way it is in private or public sector unions.
 
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Darts

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That's the way it is in private or public sector unions.
The problem is that public sector unions are all or almost all monopolies and not subject to market (i.e. realistic) discipline. (I saw this first hand during the last garbage strike. Only the public sector union was allowed to legally collect garbage. We were not allowed to hire a private contractor.)
 

bazokajoe

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The problem is that public sector unions are all or almost all monopolies and not subject to market (i.e. realistic) discipline. (I saw this first hand during the last garbage strike. Only the public sector union was allowed to legally collect garbage. We were not allowed to hire a private contractor.)
I'm not familiar with that issue. I can only speak to what I have seen first hand. In the Niagara Region our garbage, including recycling, is done by a private company not city/regional employees.
 

Frankfooter

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The problem is that public sector unions are all or almost all monopolies and not subject to market (i.e. realistic) discipline. (I saw this first hand during the last garbage strike. Only the public sector union was allowed to legally collect garbage. We were not allowed to hire a private contractor.)
Toronto has half private and half public garbagemen.
The reports say that the city run, unionized half runs a bit better and cheaper.
 

danmand

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Unions in North America are not without faults, but how big a pay increase do you think the educational workers would get from the Ford administration, if they were not unionized?
 

Anbarandy

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I spent 30 years in a union. Trust me, the union only thinks of itself.
The province and support workers agreed on wages but union wants more people hired. More union workers = more union dues = bigger pay for union executives.
That's the way it is in private or public sector unions.
But, of course!
 

Darts

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I'm not familiar with that issue. I can only speak to what I have seen first hand. In the Niagara Region our garbage, including recycling, is done by a private company not city/regional employees.
Toronto has half private and half public garbagemen.
The reports say that the city run, unionized half runs a bit better and cheaper.
Yes, there are some private companies that are under contract to municipalities but they have to follow the municipality's rules.

I was thinking of private companies hired by private citizens to do the garbage pick-up. We were told that is illegal, at least in Toronto anyway.
 

Frankfooter

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Yes, there are some private companies that are under contract to municipalities but they have to follow the municipality's rules.

I was thinking of private companies hired by private citizens to do the garbage pick-up. We were told that is illegal, at least in Toronto anyway.
Ah, you want garbage pickup contracts with no rules.
Of course.
 

bazokajoe

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Yes, there are some private companies that are under contract to municipalities but they have to follow the municipality's rules.

I was thinking of private companies hired by private citizens to do the garbage pick-up. We were told that is illegal, at least in Toronto anyway.
I see. If companies like factories, apartment buildings and even school boards can hire private garbage collectors I don't see why you couldn't.
 

Darts

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I see. If companies like factories, apartment buildings and even school boards can hire private garbage collectors I don't see why you couldn't.
I don't pretend to understand the rules/law. During the last garbage strike the folks on our street wanted to hire a guy with a pickup truck to haul our garbage to the dump. We were warned that only "authorized" people are allowed to pick up garbage.
 

basketcase

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while also recognizing all parties are stakeholders, some even recognize government financial stability for the critical contstraint that is
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Like when they made huge cuts to developer fees that otherwise would offset our taxes?
 
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