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oldjones

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If service change means upping say fro 60Amp to 100Amp service, I don't think that ever was owner do-able. It involves work on Hydro's side of the meter.
 

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They may have taken it out already. Nobody seems to know for sure. I know someone who was told they couldn't take out their own permit. This was for a service change mind you.
No, the customer can still upgrade existing equipment like change a light fixture or a broken switch. They cannot however do a new installation of lines or adding circuits. I heard thru the grapevine the new change is coming as soon as the electrical trade separates itself from the trades of colleges dept in the fall. There will also be a new code section for renewable energy as well.
 

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If service change means upping say fro 60Amp to 100Amp service, I don't think that ever was owner do-able. It involves work on Hydro's side of the meter.
No you take out a permit and install a new service alongside the old one and when hydro shows up they connect to the new service and then you take out the old one.
 

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You won't be able to add your own circuit?

Next thing you know they'll stop people from changing tires, something could go wrong and the wheel will fly off when doing 100 km/h down the 401 killing several people.
 

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Times are changing. In order to do electrical work as a business you now need to be a master electrician, have insurance , pay hydro for the ability to reconnect customers. Also there is the new arc flash law that is coming as well.
 

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Times are changing. In order to do electrical work as a business you now need to be a master electrician, have insurance , pay hydro for the ability to reconnect customers. Also there is the new arc flash law that is coming as well.
You left out being registered as an electrical contractor with the ESA; as well... So even if I have my master's license, because I'm not registered as an EC, I can't pull permits...

By making it too restrictive, they are going to force more work "underground" and even less will be inspected.

But we're getting way off the OP's topic now... ;)
 

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He is done as he already stated after reading all relevant material that he is going to do the job himself. Also the cost of keeping the license is going to go up as well.
 

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If service change means upping say fro 60Amp to 100Amp service, I don't think that ever was owner do-able. It involves work on Hydro's side of the meter.
You used to be able to do a service change as a home owner. I know people who have done it. You just rip off the meter (once you have hydro approval) and do what needs to be done. You do a temp hook up and hydro will come fix it permanently when they are ready. Could be weeks later.
 

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No, the customer can still upgrade existing equipment like change a light fixture or a broken switch. They cannot however do a new installation of lines or adding circuits. I heard thru the grapevine the new change is coming as soon as the electrical trade separates itself from the trades of colleges dept in the fall. There will also be a new code section for renewable energy as well.
I know people who recently got permits for finishing their basements. Who the hell knows?
 

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I know people who recently got permits for finishing their basements. Who the hell knows?
When the inspector shows up and asks who did the work you must divulge who did it. If it is not inspected and something goes wrong your insurance company can see if the work was inspected. If not you have no coverage.
 

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When the inspector shows up and asks who did the work you must divulge who did it. If it is not inspected and something goes wrong your insurance company can see if the work was inspected. If not you have no coverage.
Of course. I'm not talking about doing side work on the sly. I'm talking about home owners doing their own basements. As long as ESA passes it, you're good to go.
 

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Of course. I'm not talking about doing side work on the sly. I'm talking about home owners doing their own basements. As long as ESA passes it, you're good to go.
Yes.....right now. But that is going to change this fall. The electrical trade is going to go on their own, they will no longer be associated with Trades and Training. They will establish their own guidelines and such, they will be run by businesses. The rules are going to change.
 

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Yes.....right now. But that is going to change this fall. The electrical trade is going to go on their own, they will no longer be associated with Trades and Training. They will establish their own guidelines and such, they will be run by businesses. The rules are going to change.
I'm aware of that. The point I'm trying to make is that nobody seems to know what the hell the rules are right now. I heard that home owners were being stopped more than 3 years ago, but I've also heard that they can still pull permits. Ask 2 people and nobody will give the same answer.
 

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Yes I am doing my own work. I am gonna run a 12/2 wire from my basement plug through conduit to an outside small garden shed to run a lightbulb.

All is good boys. The wire is heavier than what is required...running off a basement electrical box.

All connected to a 15 amp breaker.

All is good.

THANKS FOR THE INPUT!
But did you check how many other outlets and/or lights are already on the same circuit?
 

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But did you check how many other outlets and/or lights are already on the same circuit?
let it go. rona/home depot sell a handyman version of the electrical code. from the discussion, it appears the OP has not studied the details at all. staples, cable protection, box fill, possible disconnect requirement, grounding, etc... he's doing a typical handyman install as best he can. it won't be to code. hopefully, it will be safe (enough).
 

oldjones

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I'm aware of that. The point I'm trying to make is that nobody seems to know what the hell the rules are right now. I heard that home owners were being stopped more than 3 years ago, but I've also heard that they can still pull permits. Ask 2 people and nobody will give the same answer.
Perhaps it has to do with who they asked—guys on TERB f'rinstance. Only real info is what you get direct from the permit office, not what you think you remember someone told you abouttheir experience.
 

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Perhaps it has to do with who they asked—guys on TERB f'rinstance. Only real info is what you get direct from the permit office, not what you think you remember someone told you abouttheir experience.
I only get permits the legit way. I've never gotten one as a home owner, so I can only go by what I've been told.
 
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