Enough is Enough....the hell with Ethanol

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It's all about subsidizing a spoiled constituency.....

Corn's place in the US economy is secure, judging by Congress's approval this spring of an unprecedented $190 billion farm-subsidy package. One of its largest beneficiaries was corn growers.

BTW, that 190B is about the size of the federal deficit.

from:http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/1031/p17s01-lihc.html

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'Course, not all ethanol's made from corn.
:rolleyes:
But, please, continue. You're dead on about the subsidies being evil.
 

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You can make ethanol from Algae but of course that wouldn't support the corn industry.
 

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Ranger68 said:
'Course, not all ethanol's made from corn.
:rolleyes:
But, please, continue. You're dead on about the subsidies being evil.
Again we agree, eerie.

Switch grass is much better - nothing wrong with ethanol produced from a source that produces more power that it consumes to produce.

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scouser1 said:
arent the Brazilians growing sugar cane for ethanol? you could easily grow that in the southern states.
Yes, very successful I think.

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Brazil wrote the book on Ethanol production and they don't use any corn and half their vehicles run on Ethanol at half the price of gasoline today.
For the USA an ideal crop would be hemp or even switchgrass. The Corn lobby is getting a sweetheart deal in those farm-subsidies, they don't deserve. Corn is also a bad choice for the USA because the ripple effect is driving up costs in the food and feed chain. These price increases are already hitting consumers at the supermarkets.
 

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WoodPeckr said:
Brazil wrote the book on Ethanol production and they don't use any corn and half their vehicles run on Ethanol at half the price of gasoline today.
For the USA an ideal crop would be hemp or even switchgrass. The Corn lobby is getting a sweetheart deal in those farm-subsidies, they don't deserve. Corn is also a bad choice for the USA because the ripple effect is driving up costs in the food and feed chain. These price increases are already hitting consumers at the supermarkets.
Woody..we actually agree on something...
 

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You can have my ethanol when you pry it from my cold dead hands. Ethanol is how I get escoed!
 

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frasier said:
Woody..we actually agree on something...
Do a search in this forum.
I've been behind Ethanol and other alternative fuels for years here.
BIG OIL and their political proxies put the US in the sorry present state of being more dependent on offshore oil than ever.
President Carter 30 years ago tried to wean the US off oil and move the US onto alternative fuels only to have the BIG OIL lobby kill off all those Project Independence Programs.
BIG OIL Robber Barons have far far too much sway in US energy policy making.
End result of this myopia, we are more dependent than ever on offshore oil.
 

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WoodPeckr said:
Carter 30 years ago tried to wean the US off oil and move the US onto alternative fuels only to have the BIG OIL lobby kill off all those Project Independence Programs.
Wow. Someone saying good things about J.C., you don't see that very often.
 

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WoodPeckr said:
Do a search in this forum.
I've been behind Ethanol and other alternative fuels for years here.
BIG OIL and their political proxies put the US in the sorry present state of being more dependent on offshore oil than ever.
President Carter 30 years ago tried to wean the US off oil and move the US onto alternative fuels only to have the BIG OIL lobby kill off all those Project Independence Programs.
BIG OIL Robber Barons have far far too much sway in US energy policy making.
End result of this myopia, we are more dependent than ever on offshore oil.
You are partially correct..JC effectively killed the US nuclear reactor program....
 

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frasier said:
You are partially correct..JC effectively killed the US nuclear reactor program....
No, you don't want to focus on a proven technology that provides a substantial percentage of electricity in Europe - you want solar cells and farm subsidies.

You can lay much of the coal driven global warming at Mr. Carters feet...

Now if we could just build farking reactors and refineries in this country....

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On a side note, what is the downside with building Geo-thermal plants which can be built almost anywhere? From what I have read you just have to drill deep enough in the earth.
 

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onthebottom said:
Now if we could just build farking reactors and refineries in this country....

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Glad you agree bot.
When Hillary becomes POTUS we will do all in our power to build farking reactors, their waste dumps and oil refineries in your backyard!.....;)
 

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hunter001 said:
On a side note, what is the downside with building Geo-thermal plants which can be built almost anywhere? From what I read you just have to drill deep enough in the earth.
They have NO LOBBY or SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS backing them.
 

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They have NO LOBBY or SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS backing them.
Pretty much what I figured.
 

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WoodPeckr said:
Glad you agree bot.
When Hillary becomes POTUS we will do all in our power to build farking reactors, their waste dumps and oil refineries in your backyard!.....;)
I think you're in for a disappointment.

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