European Refugee Crisis

[Butler1000]

Err..... like?

Oh, you mean because Assad is Putin's client, crony and butt-boy in the Arab World, so Putin has to send in troops to prop him up? Gotcha.

Yes, they do. They share a border. They have bases in the area. Yes they had a deals. You know what? So does the USA have basing rights in numerous countries.

Beyond that here are two other reasons.

The fact that several IS commanders are Chechen. So his taking them out sends a message back there. And killing their success in Syria stops them from feeling emboldened and starting up at home.

He has also been a using the Russian Orthodox Church a lot to. And their are historical ties to the Orthodox Christians in Syria. The original church for all the Orthodox offshoots is thought to be in Damascus. Nice excuse to make points with that while completing whatever real agenda he has.

I'm no fan and apologist for Putin. And I know how you feel about him. But the sources for this came from my various readings including the G And M, NP, Star and some NY papers. Take the blinders off and see how this has a direct effect on the Russian domestic front, and realize he does have a legit stake.

 

[red]

P.E.T. the elder decimated Canada's army, navy, and air force to third world status.
So what's your point Red ?

Why bring his father into this discussion? Thats my point. His father is dead. Dead. Dead. PET isn't running for office so whatever he did in his life doesn't matter. Same as it doesn't matter that steve comes from a family which talks big about the military but doesn't serve and fucks veterans.

Steven has also presided over the destruction of the cdn navy, the endangerment of our air force officers by not procuring new jets and the underfunding of the army and reserves. Steven has also gutted veterans affairs and foreign affairs.

Please read the link to an article in esprit de corps magazine:
http://espritdecorps.ca/commentary/...************-elliot-trudeau-or-stephen-harper

 

[red]

The very same thing was said about P.E.T. , the elder.
Only exponentially greater than that of which you say about Harper.
Trudeau fucked over Canada's Armed Forces big time and decimated it's once proud history and first rate standing on the world stage.
All the while Trudeau, the elder, ran up massive deficits and destroyed Canada's economy.
Trudeau, the elder was vehemently hated by western Canada. Did you forget that too?
So assuming as you do .... that juniour was NOT influenced .... one iota ... by daddy dearest political view pionts?

BLEEDING heart liberals love to run up massive debts on the backs of the working class without a pot to piss in.

So you believe Trudeau Jr. will do a better job than dear daddy.... and with the full influence of Maggie Trudeau too?
Oh ... wasn't she the chick that ran off with the Rolling Stones for a fun and riotous weekend .... yeah his mother was one cool chick !!!
Did she blow Mick and Keith .... or was she more interested in the drummer Charlie?

I think justin or mulcair will do better than stephen.

Stephens actual record is worse than PET's record on the military.
http://espritdecorps.ca/commentary/...************-elliot-trudeau-or-stephen-harper

 

[red]

The very same thing was said about P.E.T. , the elder.
Only exponentially greater than that of which you say about Harper.
Trudeau fucked over Canada's Armed Forces big time and decimated it's once proud history and first rate standing on the world stage.
All the while Trudeau, the elder, ran up massive deficits and destroyed Canada's economy.
Trudeau, the elder was vehemently hated by western Canada. Did you forget that too?
So assuming as you do .... that juniour was NOT influenced .... one iota ... by daddy dearest political view pionts?

BLEEDING heart liberals love to run up massive debts on the backs of the working class without a pot to piss in.

So you believe Trudeau Jr. will do a better job than dear daddy.... and with the full influence of Maggie Trudeau too?
Oh ... wasn't she the chick that ran off with the Rolling Stones for a fun and riotous weekend .... yeah his mother was one cool chick !!!
Did she blow Mick and Keith .... or was she more interested in the drummer Charlie?

Now you are attacking him for what his mother did?

Really- if you don't like his policies - fine.

But attacking someone for their parents is juvenile and really sad.

 

[shack]

Steven has also presided over the destruction of the cdn navy, the endangerment of our air force officers by not procuring new jets and the underfunding of the army and reserves. Steven has also gutted veterans affairs and foreign affairs.

Yeah, but what about the jail system he's building.

 

[shack]

The very same thing was said about P.E.T. , the elder.
Only exponentially greater than that of which you say about Harper.
Trudeau fucked over Canada's Armed Forces big time and decimated it's once proud history and first rate standing on the world stage.
All the while Trudeau, the elder, ran up massive deficits and destroyed Canada's economy.
Trudeau, the elder was vehemently hated by western Canada. Did you forget that too?
So assuming as you do .... that juniour was NOT influenced .... one iota ... by daddy dearest political view pionts?

BLEEDING heart liberals love to run up massive debts on the backs of the working class without a pot to piss in.

Since P.E.T., the world has changed, politics have changed, leaders have changed.

Too bad Harper could not emulate the approach to politics and policy as it relates to helping the citizens of this country like former Tories like Clarke, Mulroney, Stanfield etc. Harper is a disgrace to the work those men did. I know Clarke and Mulroney have both criticized Harper's tactics.

Harper wants to be Big Brother. Keep us ignorant by controlling the media and the message and thereby control us.

 

[red]

Since P.E.T., the world has changed, politics have changed, leaders have changed.

Too bad Harper could not emulate the approach to politics and policy as it relates to helping the citizens of this country like former Tories like Clarke, Mulroney, Stanfield etc. Harper is a disgrace to the work those men did. I know Clarke and Mulroney have both criticized Harper's tactics.

Harper wants to be Big Brother. Keep us ignorant by controlling the media and the message and thereby control us.

Harper grew up an asthmatic kid without friends and never played sports. At u of t he quit after a few weeks because it was too hard and he had no friends.

This is why he is distrustful and secretive. His instinct is to hide in closets and hide from the premiers. He is afraid to meet things head on.

 

[red]

You once again BELIEVE that Trudeau Jr. was NOT influenced politically by Trudeau Sr. , his omnipresent father.

YOU really are quite NAIVE.

Credit is widely given to Margaret Trudeau for overcoming her addiction to marijuana and being a keynote speaker on Mental Health issues.
She is dealing with her bipolar disorder much better these days ... and helping others overcome issues with mental health.

"Marijuana can trigger psychosis," said Trudeau. "Every time I was hospitalized it was preceded by heavy use of marijuana."

http://www.nationalpost.com/story.html?id=4fe4491e-aa55-4a43-9c7f-14c0cec728e4

Was steven influenced by his grandfather who had a nervous breakdown and disappeared?

Really? Is thiss the game you want to play?

 

[red]

YOU'RE off on a tangent of your own making there fella .... I KNOW that Justin is gravely influenced politically by his omnipresent father.
You are just conducting your own character assassination conspiracy with a delusional and irrational thought process.
What have you been smoking Red? lol

You know justin is influenced by his father (who did more for the canadian military than steven)? But steven isn't influenced by his grandfather's nervous breakdown and mysterious disappearance?

The facts of this and its impact on steven are well documented.

In any event- you want to live in the past and not judge the leaders in this election by their words and deeds. So this your tangent.

Justin- willing to fight
Harper- hides in closets, runs away from school, ducks questions in house of commons, hides from press

 

[GPIDEAL]

The reason they refuse the food is because it is not halal.

The reason they shit everywhere is because they are not the Muslim squat toilets.

I recall using some squat toilets in Italy as a young teenage tourist while travelling with my folks.

That's disgusting if they don't accept help or conform in a foreign land. From what I've seen in the news, they seem like eager immigrants willing to adapt, but who knows.

Sometimes I wish that the only people left in those countries are the evil governments or fundamentalists that can be nuked to oblivion, but I shouldn't speak of such should I.

BTW, isn't Saudi Arabia a 'modern' Islamic state?

 

[red]

Ooooh ..... lookout ...... another ginger blows his top!!!

:focus::focus::focus:

Why aren't the Saudis doing more to help Syrian refugees?

Please read the links:

http://www.infowars.com/saudi-arabia-has-100000-empty-air-conditioned-tents-that-can-house-3-million-people-yet-has-taken-zero-refugees/

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...fugees-who-arrived-last-weekend-10495082.html

There you go again. Another conservative hides from the facts.

Here's another irrelevant fact for you. Steven's mother's name is margaret. Just like justin.

 

[canada-man]

 

[red]

While you refuse to read the links RED .... I read the following interesting fact .... by the link you provided :

TRUDEAU’S ARMY: A VERY DEADLY PLACE TO SERVE

If there is one area of defence where Harper has received unfair negative publicity, it is in the area of military casualties. During the war in Afghanistan, both the media and the public became sensitized to the fact that Canadian military personnel were getting killed, leaving the impression that military fatalities were somehow a new reality for today’s military.

But as those of us who served in the Canadian Armed Forces in the 1970s and 1980s know full well, the military under Trudeau was anything but a casualty-free zone.

It may come as a total surprise to many, but while the alleged peace-loving Trudeau was in power a total of 328 Canadian military personnel were killed in the line of duty. That is 135 more than the total number of casualties under Harper’s Conservatives.

Back then our troops were getting killed in Cyprus, Egypt, Syria, Africa, Europe and while training here in Canada. Indeed, it was on August 9, 1974, under P. Trudeau’s watch, that the Canadian Forces experienced its largest single day loss when nine Canadian military peacekeepers were killed by the Syrian army.

In fact, last year marked another “low” for Harper’s military legacy, one we can all celebrate.
In 2012 the Canadian Armed Forces, for the first time ever, lost only one person. Granted, that is still one too many! But the fact remains that the Harper government has managed to bring our military casualty rate down to a level that the patron saint of the Liberal party could never remotely achieve while in power.

Thanks RED .... now stop trolling me please ....:hand::crazy::deadhorse::attention::argue:

Did you read the fact that harpers spending averages 1.14 percent of gdp while ************ trudeaus spending on military was closer to 2 percent of gdp

Did you read that trudeau bought 138 f-18 fighter jets and harper has bought none

Did you read that trudea bought 18 maritime patrol craft and harper none?

Did you read that trudeau bought 12 frigates and 3 destroyers and harper none?

 

[canada-man]

 

[mandrill]

How many times do I have to post this?? RT is a Kremlin propaganda vehicle. It disseminates fictional "news" or stories which are distorted, falsified, exagerrated or otherwise misleading. There have been MANY discussions of this, including several former personnel who have written tell-alls on blogs.

Congratulations, Canada-man, for presenting probably the most spurious and least credible news stories on the planet.

Can we file this with the 4 year old Muslims on the Bus video and the "ISIS terrorist" who turned out to be an anti ISIS fighter?!

 

[canada-man]

How many times do I have to post this?? RT is a Kremlin propaganda vehicle. It disseminates fictional "news" or stories which are distorted, falsified, exagerrated or otherwise misleading. There have been MANY discussions of this, including several former personnel who have written tell-alls on blogs.

Congratulations, Canada-man, for presenting probably the most spurious and least credible news stories on the planet.

Can we file this with the 4 year old Muslims on the Bus video and the "ISIS terrorist" who turned out to be an anti ISIS fighter?!

how is RT being Russian validate the news report on the protests?

 

[mandrill]

how is RT being Russian validate the news report on the protests?

Re read my post. RT is notoriously RUN by the Kremlin and used to plant propaganda. It publishes deliberately false, fictional or distorted stories a large % of the time.

It almost always runs smear campaigns accusing Western govts of being incompetent, racist, brutally repressive, etc.

 

[GPIDEAL]

Re read my post. RT is notoriously RUN by the Kremlin and used to plant propaganda. It publishes deliberately false, fictional or distorted stories a large % of the time.

It almost always runs smear campaigns accusing Western govts of being incompetent, racist, brutally repressive, etc.

Thanks Oagre for your posts here and on that other thread.

 

[fmahovalich]

There is some sense to what you say but the problem is the west meddled in the region and has some responsibility for what happened.

Some- not all. So we send them back and then what. We need a plan to rebuild the political structure there.

Bullshit. Typical weeny response.

ISIS is responsible for this.

Put blame where it belongs.

 

[mandrill]

Yes, they do. They share a border. They have bases in the area. Yes they had a deals. You know what? So does the USA have basing rights in numerous countries.

Beyond that here are two other reasons.

The fact that several IS commanders are Chechen. So his taking them out sends a message back there. And killing their success in Syria stops them from feeling emboldened and starting up at home.

He has also been a using the Russian Orthodox Church a lot to. And their are historical ties to the Orthodox Christians in Syria. The original church for all the Orthodox offshoots is thought to be in Damascus. Nice excuse to make points with that while completing whatever real agenda he has.

I'm no fan and apologist for Putin. And I know how you feel about him. But the sources for this came from my various readings including the G And M, NP, Star and some NY papers. Take the blinders off and see how this has a direct effect on the Russian domestic front, and realize he does have a legit stake.

A Radio Free Europe article just happened to float to the surface on Twitter which seemed relevant. Suggests that Putin's motive is less about saving the world from Islamic Extremism than to prop up one of his clients.

http://www.rferl.org/content/russia...card-rehabilitae-feared-militia/27237470.html