European Refugee Crisis

[TESLAMotors]

Ooooh ..... lookout ...... another ginger blows his top!!!

:focus::focus::focus:

Why aren't the Saudis doing more to help Syrian refugees?

Please read the links:

http://www.infowars.com/saudi-arabia-has-100000-empty-air-conditioned-tents-that-can-house-3-million-people-yet-has-taken-zero-refugees/

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...fugees-who-arrived-last-weekend-10495082.html

Guess my acquaintance was right, Saudi's really don't want them. LOL
"Saudi Arabia offers Germany 200 mosques - one for every 100 refugees who arrived last weekend "

 

[Butler1000]

A Radio Free Europe article just happened to float to the surface on Twitter which seemed relevant. Suggests that Putin's motive is less about saving the world from Islamic Extremism than to prop up one of his clients.

http://www.rferl.org/content/russia...card-rehabilitae-feared-militia/27237470.html

I have no doubt about that as well. And the factors I mentioned. And probably more to do with subtle power paly, money making schemes and whatever else you want to come up with.

No different then what the USA has with Saudi Arabia no?

But my points about a shared border, Chechen connections, Church connections stand. They are looking legitimate concerns and enough whether real or pretext to give them the "moral authority"(read within the context that all world powers have interfered within situations like this) to go in.

And what happens when they do. Start bombing IS and when the US bombs Syrian troops Russians get killed?

Or a couple of fighters jet meet? And one bad hotdog opens up? That's when it gets really dangerous.

It appears Assad, as much as he was a despot was keeping a lid on a whole lot of things. Much like Saddam was. And so this is the aftermath of the power vacuum.

No finger pointing here. Just the reality. Scary as it is I think the West should support Assad until we can clean up IS. The alternative is a multipronged, multisided battleground and a furthering of the migrant crises.

 

[trtinajax]

Now you are attacking him for what his mother did?

Really- if you don't like his policies - fine.

But attacking someone for their parents is juvenile and really sad.

Red the problem is the nut doesn't fall far from the tree and we have absolutely nothing to gain and everything to lose by trying the pint sized edition of a moron.

 

[red]

Red the problem is the nut doesn't fall far from the tree and we have absolutely nothing to gain and everything to lose by trying the pint sized edition of a moron.

Well if thats true- then are you judging harper by his grandfather who had a nervous breakdown and then disappeared. He ran off and was never seen again. Can you judge harper by his ancestry? Oh wait a minute harper did run away from school, and he ran and hid in a closet and he runs from reporter's questions- so maybe you are correct.

Seriously when you start judging people by their parents you should lose the right to vote before citizens who are living in another country

 

[red]

Bullshit. Typical weeny response.

ISIS is responsible for this.

Put blame where it belongs.

Isis is to blame for their actions. But they wouldnt have had the chance to do this shit if saddam was still in power or if when he was disposed the us did not disband the army with their weapons or had at least secured all of the weapons depots. So as I said the west shares some of the blame for the crisis.

On your weeny comment- running from responsibility is a weeny response. Talking tough on the internet about isis is also a weeny response

 

[SkyRider]

Stephen harper's dad didn't serve in ww2 either- he would have been old enough in 1944. Nor did he serve in korea. So I guess now you despise steven.

Steven's grandfather who would have been 37 at the start of ww2 didn't volunteer either. I guess they aren't a patriotic family and should be barred from politics.

Were Stephen's father and grandfather former prime ministers? I think it is perfectly fine to talk about the legacy of a former prime minister such as Trudeau the Elder or MacKenzie King or Wilfried Laurier, etc.

 

[SkyRider]

Ya, you know, the guy who's JOB it is to do that kind of thing... the guy who is equipped with the tools to do that kind of thing.

Yup, that is exactly my point. It is not the prime minister's job to confront a gun crazed maniac. So who cares if the PM was in a closet or under a desk or in a barricaded room (like Trudeau the Younger).

 

[TESLAMotors]

Ahhh shit, if the "refugees" were kids like this, I think I'd be alright with them coming to Canada.
You can see the guy is genuinely distraught, tired and looks hopeless. He certainly doesn't look like some religious zealot - he wears Armani, come on.
If it weren't for those bearded crazy chanting Allah snAckbar idiots, the type in the U.K. that are screaming Sharia law, death to England type assholes.....
Unfortunately the few bad apples ruin it for the others. Kids like this soften my (apparent) heart.

3:14 in the video.

 

[basketcase]

Greece confirms US asked to close airspace to Syria-bound Russian aid flights

http://www.rt.com/news/314616-greece-request-airspace-russia/

Of course when Russia Today describes 'aid', they forget to mention it is the same kind of 'aid' they send to Eastern Ukraine.

Russia confirms weapons on flights to Syria
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/...carry-military-equipment-150910110117672.html

 

[basketcase]

Err..... like?

Oh, you mean because Assad is Putin's client, crony and butt-boy in the Arab World, so Putin has to send in troops to prop him up? Gotcha.

Yes, they do. They share a border.....

Syria and Russia share a border? Who knew?

 

[Butler1000]

Syria and Russia share a border? Who knew?

Sorry what I meant was due to its proximity to Russia. If you look at a world map you can see how close it is to Georgia. A refugee situation should Turkey close its borders is very close.

It would be a similar situation to central America and the USA if Mexico was a much smaller nation and a huge disporia from a situation like Iraq/Syria occured. How quickly do you think the USA would react then?

 

[basketcase]

Sorry what I meant was due to its proximity to Russia. If you look at a world map you can see how close it is to Georgia. A refugee situation should Turkey close its borders is very close.

It would be a similar situation to central America and the USA if Mexico was a much smaller nation and a huge disporia from a situation like Iraq/Syria occured. How quickly do you think the USA would react then?

A quick look sees the nearest parts of Russia and Syria are 500+ km apart and refugees would have to travel through Turkey and Georgia or through Iran and Azerbaijan to get to Russia and quite smartly they aren't heading that way.

Russia's position has nothing to do with refugees but rather world politics and Syria has been a Russian/Soviet puppet since the 60's. They were arming Assad before the civil war and only took a brief break for PR purposes.

 

[jsanchez]

...It appears Assad, as much as he was a despot was keeping a lid on a whole lot of things. Much like Saddam was. And so this is the aftermath of the power vacuum.
No finger pointing here. Just the reality. Scary as it is I think the West should support Assad until we can clean up IS. The alternative is a multipronged, multisided battleground and a furthering of the migrant crises.

Wrong analogy imo, Saddam was keeping a lid until he was removed and the Iraqi state dismantled by the US, Assad on the other hand could not keep a lid forever on millions of people seething under his despotic rule. Supporting Assad will condemn Syrians to a long reign of Assad's sadistic security services and their torture dungeons and will inevitably mean a lot more refugees in the future. Also if you think Putin's appetite will stop in Syria you'd be mistaken, he's on a roll since Obama's red line was crossed.

 

[Butler1000]

Wrong analogy imo, Saddam was keeping a lid until he was removed and the Iraqi state dismantled by the US, Assad on the other hand could not keep a lid forever on millions of people seething under his despotic rule. Supporting Assad will condemn Syrians to a long reign of Assad's sadistic security services and their torture dungeons and will inevitably mean a lot more refugees in the future. Also if you think Putin's appetite will stop in Syria you'd be mistaken, he's on a roll since Obama's red line was crossed.

That's why I said it was scary. There isn't going to be an easy solution. Unless the West is prepared to go all out then this is going to continue on for years more.

My musing were more about whether it's worth it to take down one enemy at a time. Right now it's anarchy. Too many cooks between the West, Iran, the Saudis, IS, Turkey, the Kurds et al.

All of which have an agenda.

But right now I see IS as the worst of the lot and think they should be the first taken out.

 

[fuji]

The Kurds are the solution. Back an independent Kurdistan and arm them to the teeth, provide close air support, artillery, battle tanks, APC's, whatever they need, and let them go kick some ass. Turkey will get pissed. Syria and Iraq will make some noise about it being their land, but secretly will be glad that IS is finished.

Most of that land is Kurdish. Mosul should be the capital of Kurdistan. The locals will support a Kurdish force. In fact, they would pick up recruits every time they captured a city.

 

[Butler1000]

The Kurds are the solution. Back an independent Kurdistan and arm them to the teeth, provide close air support, artillery, battle tanks, APC's, whatever they need, and let them go kick some ass. Turkey will get pissed. Syria and Iraq will make some noise about it being their land, but secretly will be glad that IS is finished.

Most of that land is Kurdish. Mosul should be the capital of Kurdistan. The locals will support a Kurdish force. In fact, they would pick up recruits every time they captured a city.

Have to agree there. And they are about as close to secular as you will find in the region.

 

[mandrill]

how is RT being Russian validate the news report on the protests?

Seems like ALL the major Russian media outlets are denouncing the refugee "Crisis". And since they are pretty much all controlled or "influenced" by Putin, can we sense a pattern?


http://www.rferl.org/content/russia-europe-migrant-crisis-internet-ugly-side/27237722.html

Many Russian media, including the state RIA Novosti news agency, reported a specious claim first put forward in Britain's Sunday Express newspaper that "more than 4,000" militants from the Islamic State (IS) terror group had already entered Europe with the refugees.

Perhaps the most inflammatory piece appeared in the popular daily Komsomolskaya Pravda, purporting to be the diary of a Russian woman living in Munich. "In the press there is a new topic of discussion: how to force the refugees to clean up their own excrement?" she writes in her entry for August 18. "The Germans simply can't understand that these people don't clean up after themselves. They have never cleaned up after themselves, going back for generations."

 

[red]

Were Stephen's father and grandfather former prime ministers? I think it is perfectly fine to talk about the legacy of a former prime minister such as Trudeau the Elder or MacKenzie King or Wilfried Laurier, etc.

Thank god they were not

Of course- if you want to compare harper against former prime ministers then go ahead.

But to say that trudeau will act like his father when his policies are different is juvenile- when people attack him for the actions of his mother (during the sixties and seventies for gods sake) then its not only beyond the pale_ they have lost all reason.

Judge a man by what he says and what he does. Not by his ancestry- thats the way of monarchists, racists and other lazy thinkers.

 

[red]

The Kurds are the solution. Back an independent Kurdistan and arm them to the teeth, provide close air support, artillery, battle tanks, APC's, whatever they need, and let them go kick some ass. Turkey will get pissed. Syria and Iraq will make some noise about it being their land, but secretly will be glad that IS is finished.

Most of that land is Kurdish. Mosul should be the capital of Kurdistan. The locals will support a Kurdish force. In fact, they would pick up recruits every time they captured a city.

Have to agree there. And they are about as close to secular as you will find in the region.

I agree- I love the kurds. They walk the walk

 

[red]

Apparently, Trudeau the Younger was in the house during the terror attack. Nobody saw him charge out of his room to confront the gunman "mano a mano". It was left to the Irishman to take down the maniac.

Thats true, but he didn't hide in a closet. Only one mp did that

Yup, that is exactly my point. It is not the prime minister's job to confront a gun crazed maniac. So who cares if the PM was in a closet or under a desk or in a barricaded room (like Trudeau the Younger).

All mps were barricaded in their rooms. A few mps took flag poles and stood ready to defend themselves from whatever tried to get in their rooms.

One mp hid in a closet.

Of course the only reason I brought this up is your original post