spatial_k said:Huh? What's incorrect?
Sorry to disagree, but if we're talking fat burning, then physique has nothing to do with it, only the bodyfat %.booboobear said:Your statement that you can lose fat faster by doing weights only. Thats what you said and it is not correct . Cardio only would burn more fat than weights only. Weights would increase muscle. If you doubt this just look at the physiques of runners compared to weight lifters.
MuffinMuncher said:Sorry to disagree, but if we're talking fat burning, then physique has nothing to do with it, only the bodyfat %.
Lifting weights to build muscle DOES burn fat, because muscle needs energy to survive (as opposed to fat which literally just sits there) and it will seek to use the body's reserves.
Whether "weights only" or "cardio only" burns it faster is up for debate as it depends on how strenuously you do either.
Do any of these fat burning supplements work? I read on another thread about applying Yohimburn as a topical fat burner.Pedro Sanchez said:i would recommend taking a fat burning supplemment (Hydroxy cut) along with weights and cardio.
That's not what I said, that's what Spode said. Someone asked if they could lose fat without doing cardio which they felt reduced bulk. I said you have to do cardio to lose fat. I don't believe that you can lose more fat by doing only weights- I believe almost anyone would benefit the most from a combination of weights and cardio.booboobear said:Your statement that you can lose fat faster by doing weights only. Thats what you said and it is not correct . Cardio only would burn more fat than weights only. Weights would increase muscle. If you doubt this just look at the physiques of runners compared to weight lifters.
Absolutely nothing wrong with doing straight cardio. However you will be missing out on some important side effect from the lack of weight training ie. strength, power, muscular endurance and flexibility. The most important to you by the sounds of it would be the acceleration of fat loss. Remember muscle high maintenance tissue. It needs calories to constantly repair themselves and freshly weight trained muscles burn a shit load of calories, mainly fat. Now it sounds like you are averse to weight training, but it really doesnt have to be anything special. We should really call it resistance training, and quite frankly adding a couple of sets of push-up, chin-ups and situps (which I assume your already doing) will make big inroads.phelan said:Just out of curiosity is there anything wrong with doing straight cardio as I'm doing about 40-50mins of cycling outdoors each day (provided it doesn't rain). I'm just looking at shedding off a few lbs that's my key goal. On the scale I seem to be burning about a 1lb a week which is good but I'm wondering if there's any negative side effects associated with a straight cardio workout.
MrLuvr you are quite right to be leary of the supplement industry because most of the stuff out there is absolutely hog wash. Its a quick cash grab from fly by night outfits. The worst are the major supplement companies like Weider. However there are Fat-burners that work out there.MrLuvr said:Do any of these fat burning supplements work? I read on another thread about applying Yohimburn as a topical fat burner.
I am very leery of any supplements as they seem to be able to make whatever claim they want without having to back it up.
This one seems to be a tough one to get across. If you cycle for 30 mins you will probably burn 200 - 300 calories depending on intensity vs 75 - 100 calories during a weight workout (mostly from glycogen stores and about 25-35 % from fat so lets call it 30 calories burned from fat in the 30 min weight workout.) If your weight training for that 30 minutes and let's say you just do one exercise like squats. As soon as I'm finished my last rep (actually throughout the whole workout) your body starts recovery and assembling its assets in order to repair the damage muscle fibres. The average elevation to the metabolism post weight workout is around 15-20%. But this is averaged down over a 3 day period after the workout so lets call it an even 10% elevation. Average male has a BMR of about 2000 calories per day assuming no strenuous exercise. Therefore over a three day period the average person will burn an excess of 600 calories or about 1/6 of a pound of fat. What happens post cardio workout. Well there is a metabolic elevation but not nearly as significant as resistance training. And for about half a day only.booboobear said:I think you misunderstand my reply , fiirst of all any exercise burns fat and calories but weight lifting builds muscle more than it burns fat . It is not up to debate , of course any result from exercise depends on how strenuously you do it but like I said look at the physiques of runners compared to weight lifters and you will see the proof that cardio causes more fat and weight loss than weight training. I am a big advocate of weight training so I am not saying either is preferred but they do acheive different results.
The physique is acheived by the exercise not the other way around. Running does not also cause you to loose muscle as long as you provide enough energy to fuel your cells so the energy is not taken from muscle.
Sorry booboobear. You are correct that Cardio will elevate metabolism after its done. But NOT nearly as from the effects of resistance training. Assumming both are executed at similar intensity levels. With cardio other than running, their is really not much resistance to put overload on your muscles. The damage done to muscles from weight is way more substantial than that of "cardio". By the way physique does have input into your bodyfat % all things being equal. Ectomorphs burn lots and lots of fat, usually have higher amounts of slow twitch fibres and have a hard time developing large muscles. Mesomorphs have a medium metabolism and a very high proportion of fast twitch fibres and easily develop muscle for this reason. Endomorphs and stuck with a very slow metabolism by nature and a decent distribution of slow vs fast and can fairly easily develop muscle but have the worst time burning fat.booboobear said:Ditto . Your statement is incorrect any exercise especially cardio raises your metabolism long after you stop doing the exercise.
So, what is the alternative? Somebody mentioned HydroxyCut?Spode said:Lastly MrLuvr, most of the legit supplements will be banned in a couple of months, like Yohimburn was about 2 weeks ago in Canada. Luckily I cleaned out the place I bought it at. Why? because they work.
Yup that's a good basis. However I don't like the premise of bulking up (adding fat with the muscle). I just hate that cutting phase because its a bitch. The average person with 18-25% bodyfat can burn fat and build muscle at the same time. However if your already lean then your second paragraph strategy is a good one. Just watch the amount of fat you accumulate.MrLuvr said:After reading some more about whether it is possible to lose fat and build muscle at the same time, the answer is a QUALIFIED YES. As long as you are trying to reduce your overall body weight. So, if you are fat to begin with then this can happen.
BUT, it is much harder, if not impossible to BULK UP and LOSE FAT at the same time.
Why? Because in order to bulk up you need to consume more calories than you use. Now, if you are following a proper a diet almost all of those calories should be converted to muscle. Even so, there might be a slight gain in fat during the bulk up process.
So, first go through the bulk up and pack on the muscles. Then AFTER you are done the bulk up, go through a cutting process. Whereby you, are dropping your calorie intake to less than your daily requirement. But, at the same time you are keeping your protein intake high and maintaining the intensity of your weight routine. This will help to burn off the bat. It is also recommended to do some high intensity intermittent training in between weight routines to help the fat burning process. But, this should only be done in the cutting phase.
I don't like HydroxyCut. Tried it and didn't find the ROI. I have read scientific research that it can help accelerate anemia.MrLuvr said:So, what is the alternative? Somebody mentioned HydroxyCut?
Is yohimba, the active ingredient still available? Is there no way to apply that topically?
Well, I have gained about 12 pounds in the last 2 months, eating six meals a day. I am guessing about 2 pounds of that may be fat. The same pants still fit me fine. And my chest sticks out farther than my stomach. My stomach is quite flat actually, BUT I have this layer of fat on my stomach that has just stayed there.Spode said:However if your already lean then your second paragraph strategy is a good one. Just watch the amount of fat you accumulate.
MrLuvr said:Well, I have gained about 12 pounds in the last 2 months, eating six meals a day. I am guessing about 2 pounds of that may be fat. The same pants still fit me fine. And my chest sticks out farther than my stomach. My stomach is quite flat actually, BUT I have this layer of fat on my stomach that has just stayed there.
Alright, thanks. I will see if I can find the tablets somewhere.Spode said:I don't like HydroxyCut. Tried it and didn't find the ROI. I have read scientific research that it can help accelerate anemia.
Yohimbine is the active ingredient in Yohimbe bark extract. You can still find it in a few select places in tablet form. If you have any friends at pharma labs in town they can pulverize the tablets into a fine powder that can be used topically in conjunction with a topical creme. I have been told by a few of my go to health experts that Prep H is the creme they use with the Yohimbe. Carefull of taking the Yohimbine orally though. Within an hour you will be sweating like a bastard and ready to explode from the damn stuff. Haven't noticed that kind of effect on the topical side.
