Frustrated Liberals say Pierre Poilievre is crushing them — and some of them are blaming Justin Trudeau

[Valcazar]

PeePee is pushing the US anti LGBTQ narrative, I don't think that will work in Canada.

To be fair to Pee Pee, I don't think he is.
It looked like he was trying to tamp that down because running on Trudeau's record is working better.
The problem is too much of the base wants the culture war shit and wants to run on resentment and grievance and so that it what made it into the platform.

 

[LickingG2]

The CBC is the least biased media and comes complete with an ombudsman you can complain to about bias that will actually correct stories.

The Globe is conservative, the Star is conservative and Post Media American conservative.

You might need some help if you believe this. Seek it please.

 

[Frankfooter]

To be fair to Pee Pee, I don't think he is.
It looked like he was trying to tamp that down because running on Trudeau's record is working better.
The problem is too much of the base wants the culture war shit and wants to run on resentment and grievance and so that it what made it into the platform.

He's the leader and he let his party vote through 2 anti LGBTQ polices.
Its been there all along, from the MGTOW story to this:

 

[Frankfooter]

It may not have worked in the past, but you're discounting the impact of mass immigration.

The majority of recent immigrants come from socially conservative cultures.

Muslim and Christian Families Unite in Ottawa Protest

In a Twitter video post made by the news translating platform ‘TJRMAT.COM’ on June 10, Muslim and Christian families are seen coming together in the Canadian...

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We'll have to see if they are more worried about that or this.

Canada Truck attack: Trial begins for man accused of killing Muslim family

Four members of the Afzaal family died when they were run over with a truck in London, Ontario.

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[Frankfooter]

After 8-10 years, ALL politicians/parties need to be removed or else the featherbedding spins way way out of control.

We'll see, the numbers still say liberal minority.
PeePee doesn't do policy, all he does is attack.

 

[Frankfooter]

Politically dumb to state detailed policy when an election isn’t called. Too many things change. You know this.

You mean like his previous policy of swapping out the Canadian dollar for bitcoin?

 

[richaceg]

Pierre only knows how to complain and speak in 30,000ft strategic terms. To this day, I haven't heard the brasstacks or actual actionable solutions. Just rhetoric and bullshit.

If he gets to power, hope he can perform as well as he could talk.

We won't know until he actually wins now do we? How about the "rhetoric and bullshit" that JT said and did he perform it when he got to power?

 

[Not getting younger]

We won't know until he actually wins now do we? How about the "rhetoric and bullshit" that JT said and did he perform it when he got to power?

Name the last party that kept major “promises”.

JT certainly hasn’t.

 

[Valcazar]

He's the leader and he let his party vote through 2 anti LGBTQ polices.

How was he supposed to stop them, exactly?

Does he have the ability to veto the platform?
Can he force people not to vote or change their votes?

 

[Frankfooter]

How was he supposed to stop them, exactly?

Does he have the ability to veto the platform?
Can he force people not to vote or change their votes?

He could send the message through the party and make public statements if he didn't want it to happen.
This makes it look like he does want it and just wants to be able say he's backing the party.

 

[Frankfooter]

Why don't you ask them? But not some liberal second-gen immigrants who you know at the office or university.

Ask the kind of folks you see in these videos. The ones in full religious garb. Love to hear your report back.

Parents protest over LGBT teachings in Canada schools

Hundreds of parents gathered in Ontario, Canada, to protest against inclusion of LGBT teachings into the public school system.Subscribe: http://trt.world/sub...

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That was a small protest.

 

[georgepson]

Certainly not a fan of JT, but PP is clearly fake. All talk no solutions. Blames everything on JT. You are gullible if you can't see it imo.
If PP gets to power, I hope people voted for him b/c he is simply a change of scenery not that they believe he will actually do anything different from JT.

If PP adds some substance to his platform, then I might reconsider. In the mean time, PP, keep wearing your glasses, you don't look good without them.

 

[Valcazar]

He could send the message through the party and make public statements if he didn't want it to happen.
This makes it look like he does want it and just wants to be able say he's backing the party.

You want him to argue that the democratically voted on party platform is something he will ignore or is opposed to?
Why would he do that?

He made his pitch, he lost and the people voted.

Is he - as leader - supposed to say that he refuses to accept the party platform?

 

[Dutch Oven]

Certainly not a fan of JT, but PP is clearly fake. All talk no solutions. Blames everything on JT. You are gullible if you can't see it imo.
If PP gets to power, I hope people voted for him b/c he is simply a change of scenery not that they believe he will actually do anything different from JT.

If PP adds some substance to his platform, then I might reconsider. In the mean time, PP, keep wearing your glasses, you don't look good without them.

At this point, even if we get a new government that DOESN'T solve our problems, but at least stops CAUSING them, I think Canadians will welcome the change!

 

[Not getting younger]

Not gullible.

1) it’s obviously working.
2) Incumbents are supposed to run on their records.
3) That’s what opposition parties do and are supposed to do. Hold the one in power accountable. And hope the electorate remembers we are supposed to too. Because ultimately we are the only ones that can.

And look what happens when we don’t. Things go to shit, things fall apart, scandals and abuses get worse and worse, so does the quality of politicians.

 

[Frankfooter]

You want him to argue that the democratically voted on party platform is something he will ignore or is opposed to?
Why would he do that?

He made his pitch, he lost and the people voted.

Is he - as leader - supposed to say that he refuses to accept the party platform?

He didn't make a pitch and lose.
He let the party vote on two controversial positions on LGBTQ without saying he would be against them.

I thought it would be more likely he'd do a DoFo and claim to support a more electable position while putting the anti LGBTQ positions on secret mandate letters.
But the part is voting on more MAGA like mandate than a conservative party mandate.

A smarter politician would have spread the news amongst their supporters to get people to keep the more controversial opinions out of the voting entirely.

 

[Valcazar]

He didn't make a pitch and lose.
He let the party vote on two controversial positions on LGBTQ without saying he would be against them.

But isn't that what he is supposed to do?
This is the thing where the grass roots gets together and votes about what they want the party to focus on.
He's not supposed to be voting here. He is supposed to let them vote.

I thought it would be more likely he'd do a DoFo and claim to support a more electable position while putting the anti LGBTQ positions on secret mandate letters.
But the part is voting on more MAGA like mandate than a conservative party mandate.

A smarter politician would have spread the news amongst their supporters to get people to keep the more controversial opinions out of the voting entirely.

How do you know he didn't do that?
I don't think he is supposed to make speeches there or anything, but it has been clear for a while now that he wants to focus on bread and butter issues and not culture war.

Maybe I'm wrong, though.

Is there a history of the party leader speaking out at the convention or whatever and saying this is what he wants them to send to him?

From what I understand, he's allowed to just "take this under advisement" and ignore it completely when the actual platform is finally put together.

 

[Frankfooter]

But isn't that what he is supposed to do?
This is the thing where the grass roots gets together and votes about what they want the party to focus on.
He's not supposed to be voting here. He is supposed to let them vote.

Sure, but he's also not supposed to spend $37,000 in legal fees for someone to accuse his opponent in the party elections either.
PeePee isn't noted for being honest or playing by the rules already and this would have been minor but smart politicking. Letting the base know that they want to win an election so please don't bring up abortion or LGBTQ, which could have been done through unofficial messaging.

How do you know he didn't do that?
I don't think he is supposed to make speeches there or anything, but it has been clear for a while now that he wants to focus on bread and butter issues and not culture war.

Maybe I'm wrong, though.

Is there a history of the party leader speaking out at the convention or whatever and saying this is what he wants them to send to him?

From what I understand, he's allowed to just "take this under advisement" and ignore it completely when the actual platform is finally put together.

No leader does it publicly, really the fact that the party raised unpopular positions just makes it look like he didn't. If the convention came out with more traditional conservative statements we'd likely be more surprised but also more wary that he could be elected. Either way we should never hear about that publicly unless some in the party are seriously pissed at him.

PeePee is already aligned with culture wars, from his support of the convoy to his present attacks, MGTOW and photo ops with fringe activists.
He's already there.

I was more interested to see if all the costume changes, the new glasses and haircut were also tied in with toning down his and his party's MAGA/populist extremism for the sake of electability.
That doesn't appear to be happening. He's gonna ride that 10% extreme support all the way through the election.

 

[Valcazar]

Sure, but he's also not supposed to spend $37,000 in legal fees for someone to accuse his opponent in the party elections either.

What does that have to do with what happened here?

PeePee isn't noted for being honest or playing by the rules already and this would have been minor but smart politicking. Letting the base know that they want to win an election so please don't bring up abortion or LGBTQ, which could have been done through unofficial messaging.

So in other words, you have no proof that he didn't do exactly what you wanted him to do, but he just lost the argument?

PeePee is already aligned with culture wars, from his support of the convoy to his present attacks, MGTOW and photo ops with fringe activists.
He's already there.

And he has been actively trying to shift focus of late, which seems to have worked out well for him given the rising poll numbers.

 

[Not getting younger]

On fringe elements, within the electorate or party. Whether Left or Right.

Would either party, be wise or foolish to alienate them? Come right out and say. Piss off.