Gambling cheat...

[smiley1437]

The game is poker, and without revealing too much, I'll just say that it puts your opponents at a disadvantage that amounts to approx. a 15 - 20% shift in my favour. The casino only gets a rake or session fee, so they are not really affected. The wins are on the backs of my opponents. If it were just me screwing the casino, I wouldn't have a problem with it, but I would essentially be cheating other players.

Hope that clarifies.

Funny, I guessed it was poker before you posted it (I know, no way to prove that I actually guessed it).

Regardless, team play (where you collude with other players and secretly signal cards to other players for advantage) is fairly hard to detect with a good team, but you need a fairly large team due to seat randomization and you WILL be tracked on camera (just like how they caught teams of blackjack players). Since it doesn't affect the casino directly in poker they'll probably let it go, but you should be careful.

Not that I'm saying you're considering team play, I'm sure your system is much more sophisticated.

 

[mrsix]

..if they are willing to sit at the table and take the risk, they are fully aware they can lose it.

Alright, I'm hitting my fav gambling spot this weekend and I'll give it a shot. If it works as I expect, I'll share information. Wish me luck.

 

[69Shooter]

Alright, I'm hitting my fav gambling spot this weekend and I'll give it a shot. If it works as I expect, I'll share information. Wish me luck.

Let's us know if it's a complete failure too! Good luck!

 

[spraggamuffin]

Are you talking about counting cards? Saw it in a movie once. The Hangover. Lol

http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-Count-Cards-A-Basic-Introduction-to-Help-Y/

 

[69Shooter]

Are you talking about counting cards? Saw it in a movie once. The Hangover. Lol

http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-Count-Cards-A-Basic-Introduction-to-Help-Y/

This was an even better moving about card counting; and, based on fact: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0478087/

 

[great bear]

You might win a few dollars but the downside is: if other players catch on to you is getting around with a broken leg for 6-8 weeks.

 

[sasemohan123]

Okay, i did... here is what the first hit got me:

He uses what is called the "Martingale" system which dates back to the 1700s in France.

Simply put, you double and re-double your bet each time you lose. The theory is that you will win eventually and when you do, you will have erased all your previous loses.

Bet $5. If you lose bet $10 on your next hand. Then $20, then $40, then $80, then $160, then $320, then $640, then $1,280, etc.

Even though he said it worked for him, this system has proven to be a failure.

Yes, it is a failure. Let's just take your scenario: start at 5, double the bet if losing... and so on until win. OK, after 10 losing hands you gotta bet 2,560. At anytime you win, you only win TOTALLY $5 (suppose again the payout is the same with the bet). Does it make any sense that you keep doubling your bet until you win , just to win the amount of your very first bet? In the case of vey unlucky losing run, lets take the above scenario: you have to bring in 5,115 to make sure you do not lose your money... Remember, this can get out of hand quickly, because at ten losing hand you need to bring 5,115 to be 100% sure to win $5, at say 11 losing hand you will need $10,240...

 

[69Shooter]

Yes, it is a failure. Let's just take your scenario: start at 5, double the bet if losing... and so on until win. OK, after 10 losing hands you gotta bet 2,560. At anytime you win, you only win TOTALLY $5 (suppose again the payout is the same with the bet). Does it make any sense that you keep doubling your bet until you win , just to win the amount of your very first bet? In the case of vey unlucky losing run, lets take the above scenario: you have to bring in 5,115 to make sure you do not lose your money... Remember, this can get out of hand quickly, because at ten losing hand you need to bring 5,115 to be 100% sure to win $5, at say 11 losing hand you will need $10,240...

Hey, it was Carling who recommended this guy... not me!

 

[sasemohan123]

Hey, it was Carling who recommended this guy... not me!

?????

Edit: OK, i got it... I did not dispute what you said.

 

[69Shooter]

?????

You referred to it as "my scenario"... it's not my scenario, it's the scenario of the guy Carling said we should check out!

 

[sasemohan123]

You referred to it as "my scenario"... it's not my scenario, it's the scenario of the guy Carling said we should check out!

Alright, my bad. I only wanted to use your figure of $5 first bet, should have used $1 first bet, for more dramatic effect..

 

[69Shooter]

Alright, my bad. I only wanted to use your figure of $5 first bet, should have used $1 first bet, for more dramatic effect..

No problem. I can go home for the weekend now!

 

[roblestone]

A skillful poker player can consistently win against less skilled players by counting cards, calculating odds and reading tells. IMHO its your only chance in a casino. If you get a table with mostly amateurs you can do well but often the casinos have shills playing against you and there are retired people who play every day who are very skilled players. Too much like work. I think the casinos have table limits to thwart "Martingale"

 

[frankcastle]

The best casino games maybe have at 49% of you winning vs the house.

There is no system. Even counting cards is difficult it can give you an edge but this is countered by casinos using 7 (or whatever number it is) decks at a time.

Personally I think there is nothing wrong with counting cards if you can do it without aid of computers or paper more power to you.

 

[frankcastle]

A skillful poker player can consistently win against less skilled players by counting cards, calculating odds and reading tells. IMHO its your only chance in a casino. If you get a table with mostly amateurs you can do well but often the casinos have shills playing against you and there are retired people who play every day who are very skilled players. Too much like work. I think the casinos have table limits to thwart "Martingale"

Yeah building your skills for poker takes time and probably money lost while learning...... and you never know who is sitting beside you. Casino's will have at least a few great players kicking around.

 

[mrsix]

There is no system. Even counting cards is difficult it can give you an edge but this is countered by casinos using 7 (or whatever number it is) decks at a time.

I agree with you on the whole "proven system" scams that amount to nothing. It all comes down to math, and the house always wins. Poker is a different story however, because the house takes the same cut regardless of the outcome of each hand, and is therefore uninterested (economically) in how much each player wins or loses. All that matters is how long you sit at the table (session fee scenario), and how many hands are played (rake scenario).

I have just one minor sticking point in my method, which btw is not a system and involves no math, which I'm hoping TERBites can help me iron out after I beta test it this weekend. We'll all have to enter into a secret pact or something though...lol.

 

[frankcastle]

I have just one minor sticking point in my method, which btw is not a system and involves no math, which I'm hoping TERBites can help me iron out after I beta test it this weekend. We'll all have to enter into a secret pact or something though...lol.

What happens on terb stays on terb

Yeah I qualified it with games vs the house.

The x factor with poker is the skill of who you are playing with...... mind you the cards you are dealt make a difference too. Getting a string of 2,4 of different suits probably doesn't help. lol

 

[SoftHands813]

This is just the basic mathematics of geometric progressions. The sum of all your previous consecutive losses will be recouped by the subsequent winning bet and yield a net profit of your initial bet.

Σ 2^n = [ 2^(n+1) ] - 1

Okay, i did... here is what the first hit got me:

He uses what is called the "Martingale" system which dates back to the 1700s in France.

Simply put, you double and re-double your bet each time you lose. The theory is that you will win eventually and when you do, you will have erased all your previous loses.

Bet $5. If you lose bet $10 on your next hand. Then $20, then $40, then $80, then $160, then $320, then $640, then $1,280, etc.

Even though he said it worked for him, this system has proven to be a failure.

 

[oldjones]

There's moral considerations in gambling!!?!?

 

[doggystyle99]

The game is poker, and without revealing too much, I'll just say that it puts your opponents at a disadvantage that amounts to approx. a 15 - 20% shift in my favour. The casino only gets a rake or session fee, so they are not really affected. The wins are on the backs of my opponents. If it were just me screwing the casino, I wouldn't have a problem with it, but I would essentially be cheating other players.

Hope that clarifies.

Poker is a game of odds I don't know how you can possibly improve your odds by 20% but it is certainly highly unlikely. If its holdem poker you are talking about.
BTW I have a lot of experience in casinos