Garbage Strike - Give Me a Break
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There's already has been change, union membership has stagnated for 10 years. If unions were the answer, more people would be jumping at the chance to join.Mrbig1949 said:
True so why are you anti-union right wing kooks so upset? Could it be the effect organized labour has in driving up all wages. Metro Toronto Labour Council put on a very effective campaign to "persuade" Dalton to up the minimum wage (too slow of course). BTW it is the laws that have slowed down unionization. When Obama brings back card check and we get it back here things will really start to move again.
Upset, upset!! I'm not upset. You want to see upset? I'm actually really calm; almost falling asleep.Mrbig1949 said:
Premier Dalton is the consummate politico. He'd sell his kids to get votes. Relatively speaking our minimum wage isn't bad. I couldn't live on it but there's other ways to deal with having to work at $9.00/hr or what ever it is. The one thing I don't like is the special student rate which is much lower. Pay the kid what you pay the adults for the same job.
privatization is the way to go. With all due respect to the city of Toronto garbage your union is out of touch with reality. No city shoud have its own garbage collection, too costly and not needed. 18 bankable sick days per year, are you kidding me...privatize get my vote!
Actually, a combination of unions and privatization is the best solution because it keeps both sides on their toes and every few years we get a reminder about the downside of the union movement.jiiimmm said:
Remember the stupidly low bid that the union tried in Etobicoke to get the contract, BUT the Etobicoke council smelled a rat and didn't bite.
What other community in the GTA or the 905 area has their refuge picked up by city employees. I'm under the impression that TO is the only one. I could be wrong but I don't think so. Name names, please.Mrbig1949 said:
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Seems that Etobikoke is doing just fine gut they were grandfathered in the amalgamation. If you think that the reason garbage is not collected by private is one of quality then you obviously aren't capable of rational thought. Even the most delusional unionist doesn't believe that.Mrbig1949 said:
In your little fictional dialogue you left out the Managements response to "…we do not believe your numbers". What was it?JohnLarue said:
If you're gonna blame the union for the company's woes, and not the folks whose job it was to manage the company, you have to at least open the books to the union.
Otherwise your positions as useless as blaming the customers.
PS: Still having trouble with quoting I see. You need to fixt the end tag to restore [/ in front of quote]. I iknow you've said you don't care about quotes but it's best practice use an elision … to indicate you've editted what you're quoting.
Getting back to the case of the City their books are completely open. I do agree with you though that the management of the City deserves equal blame. In some cases a conflict of interest investigation should be conducted by the province as many of the councilors in management positions received substantial campaign donations from CUPE in the last election.oldjones said:
I think Oshawa is the third municipality where garbage is not contracted out.someone said:Do you just make these things up or do you really believe them?I was reading recently that there are only three municipalities in Ontario where garbage is not contracted out (Toronto, Windsor and I forget the third place).
Oooops! FUMBLE!someone said:Do you just make these things up or do you really believe them?
.... but let's not be too harsh. He may have been only passing on what his union bosses may have been telling him.
Actually you c an do thatr if you are a resident, the problem is they will give you everything all 20000 lbs of it to sort through. The exception would be financials that could cause problems like tendered contracts that have not bee3n finalized or real estate purchases that have not been completed.Sukdeep said:
What??Mrbig1949 said:
Maybe it's a Canadian thing, here in the states 4 of my last 5 residences had garbage collection handled by a private company. The service was awesome in all 4 cases, because there were choices.
The one handled by the city was a cluster, no competition.
Well it might be that our garbage isn't being picked up.Mrbig1949 said:
And btw do you have to be right wing to think unions have outgrown their use?
It may annoy you to know that I am very left wing in lots of ways (cough, hookers legalized).
MB1949's claim of the quality not being there is just that a claim, no facts, not even an anecdote to put meat on his words. Again only 3 municipalities in Ontario have city pick up. All the others have outside contracts. That's 441 municipalities with outside contracts for garbage. Now you know why the city workers are worried. It's got nothing to do with quality.kkelso said:
I'll repeat that number 441.
