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[Aardvark154]

"Because of the long and varied history of the Jews," says the 2001 edition of World Book Encyclopedia, "it is difficult to define a Jew. There is no such thing as a Jewish race. Jewish identity is a mixture of religious, historical, and ethnic factors." Thus, those who might have truly claimed to be of the genealogy of Abraham and of true Semitic origin became extinct as a discernible race, being replaced by the white Khazars of the Transcaucasus, none of whose ancestors, as Benjamin Freedman phrases it, have ever placed a foot in the land of Palestine. This causes a serious problem with modern Christianity's infatuation with the Jews and their "return to their Homeland,"

Cinelli, discussing this with you is like talking to someone about the Italian Peninsula circa 1400 - 1820 who refuses to believe that there were multiple states in Italy and that Italians had strong allegiances to them rather than some sense of Italian nationalism. Or in plain English - "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink."

 

[persis]

The new DNA research, merely confirms what traditionaly had been believed - which is both Jews and Arabs are ethnicly Semitic. If you want to look at it in ‘literary terms’ both Arabs and Jews have for well over a millennium viewed themselves as descendants of Abraham.

The term "Semitic Peoples" has come to mean peoples related by background culture and language from the Middle East but started out in the 19th Century as a term to cover the language group related to Hebrew which today include Arabic, Aramaic, and Hebrew, as well as dead languages such as Akkadian and Phoenician.

None of this, however, should be taken to mean that there hasn't been intermarriage between various ethnic groups - and therefore a genetic shading across an area - such as Arabs from North Africa showing differences from Arabs from Iraq. As a good example of this (cutting the other way) look at Iranian Clerics showing by their headdress that they are descendants of Mohamad, the Persians are a proud people and Mohamad was Arab but. . .

The whole Khazar thing which has been referenced in previous posts is a late 20th Century development which has never had mainstrean scholarly suport It basicly stems from books such as Arthur Koestler's The Thirteenth Tribe. It of course conveniently plays to certain anti-Semitic and anti-Israeli prejudices attempting to undercut the argument that modern Jews are the descendants of Biblical Jews. However, as I've written the DNA evidence cuts whatever legs it ever had from under it.

Many perhaps even most North Americans buy into Henry Ford's statement "History is bunk." In much of the rest of the world, however, particularly where ethnicity, language, and statehood are interrelated, history is a living thing and events of many hundreds of years ago are viewed as having direct relations with current events.

I don't know how many times, I had to provide you with references to look up... it seems you just not listening or purposely play deaf.... Middle Eastern Arabs and Jews both are Semitic people... but the majority of Europeans Jews are of European & oriental stocks, because they do not have or if they do have, they have very small % of Semitic DNA markings (range 5% to 15%) as they have mixed with Roman Jews in Europe to some extend.

This small percentage does not make them the descendants of Biblical Jews, particularly if used for political reasons.

Even Dr. Hammer (as Zionist researcher ) found only Y marking (Sharing a common male ancestor that doesn't change due to mutation) to be similar among all Jewish communities, but there are many other markings like Q(Oriental origin) or R1B1 (Western European Origins) or J (Indo - Iranic /Aryan origins) that are not Semitic (E3b) markings but common among White people which makes up over 80% of Ashkenazis dNA (considering human having over 3600+ gene) in another word if a European Jew has only 10-20% similarity with Middle eastern Jew It does not mean they are of the same race.

If I am 85% Persian (from father side) and 15% Semitic (from mother side) do I have the right to call myself a Persian or Semite?

Seriously, look around yourself; does an Arab man look like a Russian man or an Iraqi man walking on the streets of Baghdad resemble an American Marine?
One has to be blind not to see these obvious racial differences, however yes I agree with you that both men could culturally share the same values, worship the same God or even speak the same language....

 

[Aardvark154]

but the majority of Europeans Jews are of European & oriental stocks, because they do not have or if they do have, they have very small % of Semitic DNA markings (range 5% to 15%) as they have mixed with Roman Jews in Europe to some extend.

This small percentage does not make them the descendants of Biblical Jews

If I am 85% Persian (from father side) and 15% Semitic (from mother side) do I have the right to call myself a Persian or Semite?

Under the logic you use above seemingly it doesn't give you the right to call yourself anything. Under your logic apparently you have to be 100 percent or you aren't real.

 

[persis]

Under the logic you use above seemingly it doesn't give you the right to call yourself anything. Under your logic apparently you have to be 100 percent or you aren't real.

That is my point... a Jew should be at least 50/50 (mulatto!) to be racially Semite, a word from the Latin prefix semi which means half. "Half Black and half White" as points out by Dr. Cress Welsing, arises in the 4th millennia B.C. from crossbreeding between Black inhabitants (from Chaldea) of the holy land & white Sumerians from Babylon, a well documented fact by historians.

Isn't true that Hitler mandated the destruction of European Jews because he purposely classified these white Europeans as "non-white"?
Saying that all Jews are Semite or all European Jews are Semite will only validates Hitler / white supremacy propaganda.

 

[DATYdude]

Persis, the only point you have is on your head.

What I realize at the end of this so-called debate is how UNIMPORTANT this aspect of the debate is, just as the question of where the Palestinians came from is unimportant in light of REALITY.

One of the most important things I learned in Socioligy 100 at UofT was Thomas' theorem: "If men define situations as real they are real in their consequences". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._I._Thomas

Period, full stop. Let's move on, shall we?

 

[persis]

Persis, the only point you have is on your head.

What I realize at the end of this so-called debate is how UNIMPORTANT this aspect of the debate is, just as the question of where the Palestinians came from is unimportant in light of REALITY.

One of the most important things I learned in Socioligy 100 at UofT was Thomas' theorem: "If men define situations as real they are real in their consequences". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._I._Thomas

Period, full stop. Let's move on, shall we?

You mean...
"It is not important whether or not the interpretation is correct--if men define situations as real, they are real in their consequences" - Thomas theorem, 1863-1947



Well that is the core of the issue here, disloyalty, lies and deceits…. The reason I am not pro- Zionist.

Zionism [which to me is neither religious nor social but political movement] says or does anything to push its agenda
Resulting in a great deal of harm to many Jewish communities in Europe and around the world particularly among Jewish communities in the East where Jews lived with Moslems in peace and harmony for centuries.

--Why can’t Zionist tell the truth that they, like any other people are entitled to a homeland for a single reason and that is because European Christians have held the Jewish people collectively and for all time, committed the sin of deicide,which led to hatred, violence against and murder of Jews in Europe and that they were required to live only in ghettos, that they were taxed to support state boarding schools for Jewish converts to Christianity?

--Why can’t they tell openly to the world that the homeland must be the holy land because it is a promised land?

--Why can’t Zionist admit that Jewishness is defined by shared Culture and common religion and has nothing to do with Jewish origin or the ancient history of the holy land?

--Why can’t Zionist admit that they are people –but not all of one people?
-- And finally why can’t Zionist [now that they have the upper hand] sit down by the table with there Moslem neighbors and come to a mutual agreement as what is needed to have a lasting peace and get on with it?

 

[DATYdude]

I'll answer ALL your questions with one simple answer. Because the 95% of the Jews who are Zionists (i.e. believe Jews should have a homeland in Israel) DON'T think with one mind, so maybe it would be good not to speak as though we are the Borg.


--Why can’t Zionist tell the truth that they, like any other people are entitled to a homeland for a single reason and that is because European Christians have held the Jewish people collectively and for all time, committed the sin of deicide,which led to hatred, violence against and murder of Jews in Europe and that they were required to live only in ghettos, that they were taxed to support state boarding schools for Jewish converts to Christianity?

---> because that wouldn't be the truth, although 1500 years of oppression by Christianity certainly played a part in bringing many Jews back to their homeland. (By the way, Jews were oppressed in muslim countries too.)

--Why can’t they tell openly to the world that the homeland must be the holy land because it is a promised land?

---> kind of besides the point. Promised or not, it's where we lived for 1000 years or more.

--Why can’t Zionist admit that Jewishness is defined by shared Culture and common religion and has nothing to do with Jewish origin or the ancient history of the holy land?

----> because it's shared culture, religion, AND origin. FACTS are not the key here, it's belief. (see Thomas' theorem, above)

--Why can’t Zionist admit that they are people –but not all of one people?

----> because we believe that we are one people, diverse but united nevertheless.

-- And finally why can’t Zionist [now that they have the upper hand] sit on the table with there Moslem neighbors and come to a mutual agreement as what is needed to have a lasting peace and get on with it?

-----> we have. Egypt, Jordan. Ready to make peace with every country willing to do the same with us, AND with the Palestinians, WHO WANT OUR COUNTRY, just not too keen on giving them all of it.

 

[slowandeasy]

Many perhaps even most North Americans buy into Henry Ford's statement "History is bunk." In much of the rest of the world, however, particularly where ethnicity, language, and statehood are interrelated, history is a living thing and events of many hundreds of years ago are viewed as having direct relations with current events.

Thank you for the intelligent reply. I guess that given NA's relatively short history, it makes sense that we take the view that history is bunk... But that would be really trivializing this perspective... I prefer to think of it in this manner... many North Americans (being immigrants) have seen how destructive these long held beliefs and customs are in their previous homeland, and have decided to give themselves and their neighbors a clean slate to work with.

In my old age, I have come to appreciate the importance of history, however, I find that too often, it is used as a means for the perpetuation of hatred....

 

[slowandeasy]

DAtydude, and Aardvark..

This is why I enjoy open discussions where all are allowed to voice their opinions regardless of whether it is politically correct or not.

I am shocked at the extent that some have taken in an attempt to deny the existence of Israel or Jewish claims to a homeland. I cannot fathom the depths of these people's, or the extent that they are willing to go to destroy. Unfortunately, they have become so blinded by their hatred, that they cannot see how low they have sunk...

Fascinating, incredible, and quite sad....

 

[Aardvark154]

Thank you for the intelligent reply. I guess that given NA's relatively short history, it makes sense that we take the view that history is bunk... But that would be really trivializing this perspective... I prefer to think of it in this manner... many North Americans (being immigrants) have seen how destructive these long held beliefs and customs are in their previous homeland, and have decided to give themselves and their neighbors a clean slate to work with.

In my old age, I have come to appreciate the importance of history, however, I find that too often, it is used as a means for the perpetuation of hatred....

Where I think many North Americans - particularly Politicians fall down is that they don't appreciate the "current events quality" history has in much of the rest of the world. For example, witness the failure to appreciate the importance Kosovo has historically for Serbia. Not not only on the part of the Clinton Administration with its attack on Serbia, but also the dangerous game of brinkmanship currently being played between the West and Serbia and Russia, which is almost entirely being ignored by the Press not only in North America but in Western Europe as well.

 

[slowandeasy]

Where I think many North Americans - particularly Politicians fall down is that they don't appreciate the "current events quality" history has in much of the rest of the world. For example, witness the failure to appreciate the importance Kosovo has historically for Serbia. Not not only on the part of the Clinton Administration with its attack on Serbia, but also the dangerous game of brinkmanship currently being played between the West and Serbia and Russia, which is almost entirely being ignored by the Press not only in North America but in Western Europe as well.

I don't know much about Kosovo situation, or the nuance of the relationships out there...

Is it anything like the issue in Iraq with the Sunnis and Shites? Or perhaps in Kenya with the tribal problems?

In Iraq, I think that they completely misread the problem with bringing the Sunni government down, and the power that various "gangs" had in certain parts of the country. Gangs that were allowed to operate below the radar, and once threatened, they have retaliated...

If you have the time and inclination, please start a thread about the Kosovo situation..

 

[persis]

You will find the world largely unrecognizable if you feel that 1828 wasn't some time ago.

Further, I believe you'd find that ethnic Uzbeks believe themselves to be a Turkic people speaking a Turkic language, now if you are actually speaking of Tajiks. . . who by the way see themselves more as Samanids than Persians.

I'm sure the people of the Central Asian Republics (the Near Abroad) would find fascinating your assertion that Iran exerts a greater influence over them than does Russia.

TEHRAN -- The Caspian Sea littoral states summit on Tuesday released a declaration on major regional and international issues.

Following is an excerpt of the declaration:

The Caspian Sea littoral states will make efforts to reinforce peace, stability, economic development, and good neighborliness in the region. The sides will have equal rights in international cooperation and are determined to boost relations in political, diplomatic, economic, scientific, technical, cultural, and social spheres.

The sides will make attempts to efficiently utilize the Caspian Sea’s rich resources and expand economic cooperation, particularly in the energy and transportation areas.

The sides hereby announce that only Caspian Sea littoral countries are allowed to use the resources of the sea.

The sides believe that the Caspian Sea legal regime convention is authorized to determine the Caspian Sea legal regime, which can only be approved through the littoral states’ consensus.

The current shipping and fishing regimes will be implemented under the flag of the bordering states, pending the final approval of the Caspian Sea legal regime.

The sides agree that the Caspian Sea legal regime should be drafted as soon as possible.

Final agreement on the seabed demarcation will be reached by all bordering states with respect to the legal rights and interests of each country.

The sides stress the importance of the expansion of cooperation for resolving Caspian Sea environmental problems, harmonizing national activities for its environment protection, and cooperating with international organizations for the protection of marine biodiversity.

The Caspian Sea should only be used for peaceful purposes and any problems related to the sea should be resolved diplomatically by the littoral states.

The sides will make efforts to develop mutual trust and reinforce regional security. They will also avoid using military force in mutual relations.

The sides agree that they will never launch a military attack against any of the littoral states.

The sides reiterate that they will not let any country use their soil for a military attack against other littoral states.

The sides believe that the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty is one of the most important foundations of international peace and stability. The sides confirm that all signatories to the NPT have the right to generate and utilize nuclear energy for peaceful purposes within the framework of the NPT and the International Atomic Energy Agency Statute.

Caspian states are only true owners of the sea

All the Caspian nations agree that the sea’s issues should be settled exclusively by the littoral states, and only those countries should be allowed to deploy ships and military forces in the sea, Iranian President Mahmud Ahmadinejad said in his address at the 2nd Conference of Caspian Sea Littoral States.

Ahmadinejad welcomed the presidents of the four other Caspian Sea states, Russia, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, and Azerbaijan, saying, “Iran is the second home of all of you, and your participation in this conference is a sign of unity, friendship, and good neighborliness among our peoples and governments.”

The first Caspian Sea summit was held in Ashgabat, Turkmenistan in 2002.

In the five years since the first conference, the littoral states have reached a greater understanding and their viewpoints have begun to converge, the Iranian president observed.

The Caspian states are the only true owners of the sea, and currently there is a common understanding in the talks that makes all of the countries optimistic about their future and outcome, he added.

In the economic realm, the Caspian Sea has a great potential to pave the way for the expansion of cooperation among coastal states, he noted.

Iran suggests that a framework with economic objectives should be established to facilitate economic and trade cooperation between the littoral countries, he said, adding that the fact that the Caspian Sea is located on the North-South Corridor provides fertile ground for the expansion of cooperation.

It is clearly necessary for the five countries to cooperate to maintain security and stability in the Caspian region, prevent foreign intrusions, and deal with organized crime, and this requires the establishment of a regional organization in the near future, Ahmadinejad stated.

“I suggest that all cultural, artistic, and tourism collaboration should be expanded,” and this will promote regional peace, he said.

The signing of the Tehran Convention on the protection of the marine environment of the Caspian Sea shows that all littoral states consider the protection of the environment an important matter, he added.

Considering the great energy reserves in the area and the coastal countries’ facilities for transferring oil and gas, collective cooperation for exploration and transferal is the shortest and most economical way to use the energy, which will be in the best interests of all the littoral states, he pointed out.

In his speech to the conference, Russian President Vladimir Putin discussed issues pertaining to comprehensive security and stability in the region, including “security of navigation, the protection of oil and gas production facilities, and the joint campaign against international terrorism and extremism.”

He pointed to specific initiatives, such as the draft stability pact proposed by Kazakhstan, and Iran's initiative to draft an agreement on confidence and stability measures.

He also mentioned Russia’s proposal to set up a joint naval group for strategic cooperation on the Caspian Sea, to be named CasFor.

Among other things, Russia has proposed building a canal as soon as possible to connect the Caspian Sea to the Black and Azov seas to help establish the North-South Corridor, he said.

Commenting on the draft declaration that was later adopted at the summit, he said, “We acknowledge the need to solve a number of key issues… considering our interests and maintaining sovereignty, and refraining from any use of force.”

The Caspian states could develop oil and gas resources under the seabed using existing national zones for mineral use, which have already been defined in the northern part of the sea, he stated.

“We believe that in the southern Caspian also, interested parties will be able to find a balanced and mutually acceptable solution. To reach an agreement on delimiting the seabed for mineral use, there is no need to wait for a convention to be drawn up on its legal status, we can act in a five-way format,” he added.

The Russian president also responded to the threatening language being used by extra-regional countries.

No Caspian nation should offer its territory to third powers for use of force or military aggression against any Caspian state, Putin said.

Kazakh President Nursultan Nazarbayev stated that the convention should be finalized as soon as possible, and the dialogue between the countries should be sped up.

Borders should be defined for the sea, and biological resources should be divided between the littoral countries, he said.

“The previous agreements between Iran and the Soviet Union belong to history now,” he added.

Kazakhstan emphasized the necessity of defining a five-sided mechanism for coming to agreements on military and defense issues.

In his speech to the summit Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev stressed the necessity of protecting the biological resources and environment of the Caspian Sea.

""I believe that the Tehran summit and the declaration we will adopt here will be a turning point in the development of cooperation between Caspian states in all fields and in insuring stability and peace in the region, and that the Caspian will become a sea of peace, friendship, and cooperation,” he said.

Turkmen President Gurbanguly Berdimuhammedow said he was optimistic about Caspian states’ cooperation and the agreements made by the five countries on ecology, shipping, tourism, and the use of hydrocarbon reserves.

Turkmenistan obeys the rules, and in the future it will take steps to help in the process of finalizing the legal regime of the Caspian Sea, he added.

.....

 

[persis]

Caspian Sea will remain a sea of peace and friendship

“The Caspian Sea will always be the sea of peace and friendship among the littoral states,” Ahmadinejad said at a joint press conference of Caspian Sea leaders here on Tuesday.

He announced that the third summit of the Caspian Sea littoral states will be held in Baku, Azerbaijan in 2008, and a joint economic conference will be held in Moscow next year.

The presidents of the five Caspian Sea littoral countries agreed to meet every year, and their foreign ministers will meet every six months, he added.

Asked about the propaganda campaign against the conference, Ahmadinejad stated that the declaration that was signed at the end of the conference was a robust response to those countries that were opposed to the meeting.

“This was a successful meeting, and we are all determined to make the Caspian Sea the sea of friendship,” he emphasized.

This region can serve as a model for cooperation in the world, he added.

Russian President Vladimir Putin told reporters that the Iran-Russia nuclear cooperation is for peaceful purposes.

The countries have “expressed the idea that peaceful nuclear activities must be allowed,” Putin said, reiterating that Iran should be allowed to pursue its nuclear program for peaceful purposes.

Russia is the only country helping Iran to construct a nuclear power station for peaceful ends, he added, referring to the construction of the Bushehr nuclear power plant.

Putin also stated, “We have agreed that only vessels sailing under Caspian countries’ flags can use the Caspian Sea.”

The Azerbaijani president told reporters that Caspian Sea issues have been extricated from an impasse.

The material for the convention on a legal regime for the sea will be ready by next year, Aliyev said.

The Turkmen president told reporters that the signing of the trilateral agreement between Iran, Turkmenistan, and Kazakhstan on the construction of a railway linking the three countries was an important step taken at the conference.

Berdimuhammedow stated that the Caspian Sea is a sea of cooperation, but added that there are, of course, still unresolved issues.

The Kazakh president said, “There is no irresolvable discord between us; we have defined a convention on security and peace in the Caspian Sea that will be finalized at the next conference in Baku.”

This meeting was an important leap for efforts to maintain peace and security and to develop economic cooperation among Caspian states, Nazarbayev noted.

 

[Aardvark154]

Among other things, Russia has proposed building a canal as soon as possible to connect the Caspian Sea to the Black and Azov seas to help establish the North-South Corridor, he said.

Good of you to quote Vladimir Vladimirovich


The article (which is interesting) doesn’t mention that Russia has far and away the largest naval presence, nor likewise the territorial disputes between Azerbaijan and Iran including Iranian combatants firing upon Azerbaijani patrol boats.

 

[basketcase]

The more I think about it, it does seem that the Palestinians are living under a power that treats them the same way the Nazis treated the Jews. They are forced to live in camps, can't own property and have been banned from working in many professions. Seriously, there's a law saying foreign nationals (which mostly means the Palestinians, even if they were born there) can't work is some of 70 professions. The only big differences are that they don't have to wear arm bands and there are no extermination camps.

The only thing is, it's not Israel that is acting nazi-like. You need to go a few km's further north past the border to see this inhuman treatment.


(an article that discusses opinions from Palestinians in Arab countries - http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?apage=3&cid=1202246341375&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull )

 

[Aardvark154]

The only thing is, it's not Israel that is acting nazi-like. You need to go a few km's further north past the border to see this inhuman treatment.

And on the flip side from a Maronite perspective hasn't the presence of the Palestinians destabilized the very delicate balance that was Lebanon.

 

[scouser1]

And on the flip side from a Maronite perspective hasn't the presence of the Palestinians destabilized the very delicate balance that was Lebanon.

not just the Maronite perspective but deep down the Shia dont really want them there either, and would get angry if they were to be given Lebanese citizenship in case of a peace and resettlement of refugees deal with Israel, since the majority of them are Sunni, there is somewhere around 300 thousand Palestinians in Lebanon, in a nation of 3 and half million, thats a huge number.

 

[Aardvark154]

It isn’t just the Egyptian Government that isn’t wild about Palestinians from the Gaza Strip.

From The Sunday Telegraph: “Like many Egyptians, Mohammed Sayeed had always harboured sympathy for his Arab brothers. But that sympathy was tested last month when Hamas blew open the Gaza Strip's land crossing with Egypt and Palestinians crossed the border in droves.

'It wasn't nice at all,' remembers Mr Sayeed, whose restaurant near the town of al-Arish, 30 miles from the border, was overrun by Gazans demanding food and service. 'They used very bad language that we didn't expect them to use. We had the impression before that they were good people going through a hard time. But this is not the way we expected them to be at all."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/02/17/wgaza117.xml

 

[WoodPeckr]

France chimes in also

French FM urges Israel to lift Gaza blockade

by Ezzedine Said
Sat Feb 16, 3:21 PM ET

RAMALLAH, West Bank (AFP) - French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner urged Israel on Saturday to lift its blockade of the Gaza Strip, saying the situation in the impoverished territory was "intolerable."

But Kouchner, on a visit to the region, also urged a halt to rocket fire on Israel by Gaza militants in order to avoid such "brutal" responses and said the creation of a Palestinian state was vital for Israel's security.

"We back the opening of the crossing points into Gaza. The daily life of the Palestinians of Gaza is intolerable," he told reporters after meeting Palestinian president Mahmud Abbas in the West Bank city of Ramallah.

Israel has kept Gaza under effective lockdown since last June following the territory's takeover by the Islamist movement Hamas, and on January 17 it tightened the blockade before easing it again slightly.

The Israelis say the measure is in response to rockets being fired at it by Palestinian militants inside the impoverished coastal territory.

Kouchner arrived in the region just hours after eight Palestinians, including a leading Islamic Jihad militant and members of his family, were killed in what medics and witnesses said was an Israeli air strike.

Israel has denied any involvement in the incident, which has increased the death toll among Palestinians since the revival of the peace process in late November to at least 180, mostly militants.

"We are also strong supporters of the need to halt rocket fire on Israel, because of there are rockets fired on Israel one can understand that the Israeli response will be brutal," he said.

Kouchner also spoke in support of the creation of a Palestinian state and called for a halt to Jewish settlement activity on occupied land.

"Without a Palestinian state there will be no security for our Israeli friends," he said.

Kouchner is due to have talks with Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni and Defence Minster Ehud Barak in Jerusalem on Sunday.

Israel and the Palestinians relaunched the US-sponsored peace process after a near seven-year hiatus with the aim of reaching an agreement by the end of 2008.

President George W. Bush has said he would like to see an accord before he leaves office in January next year, but peace talks have been hampered by the Gaza violence and Israeli settlement expansion.

 

[Aardvark154]

When you boil down the statement of the French Foreign Minister it basically comes to:

"We are also strong supporters of the need to halt rocket fire on Israel, because of there are rockets fired on Israel one can understand that the Israeli response will be brutal"

"We back the opening of the crossing points into Gaza. The daily life of the Palestinians of Gaza is intolerable"

France supports the creation of a Palestinian state and calls for a halt to Jewish settlements in the West Bank.

"Without a Palestinian state there will be no security for our Israeli friends"

To which broad statements I don't think you will find too many disagreeing.