Germany needs AfD. Period.

[Phil C. McNasty]

So you are saying that stabbing attacks are incredibly non-lethal (since you assume that 14,000 figure is "knife attacks" in one city)?

I never said they were lethal, I said 14,000 stabbings in just one city is insane

Of course, that 14,000 is "knife crime" not "stabbing attacks", but we wouldn't want to mess with the narrative, would we?

Its not?? What percentage are actual stabbings then??

And you are right, if we 64 stabbings a day in Toronto, it would be a big deal.
But they don't have 64 stabbings a day in London, either

You're right, they actually had more in 2023/2024.
Over 15,000 knife or sharp instrument offences recorded by the police in that year

Google Search

www.google.ca

The number of knife or sharp instrument offences recorded by the police in London rose to approximately 15,016 in 2023/24, compared with 12,786 in the previous year. This was the highest number of knife crime offences reported in London since 2019/20, when there were 15,928 offences

So let's look at "knife crime" (which appears to be various things where a knife might be involved.)

London: 1.76 knife offences per 1,000 people
Toronto: 1.20 knife offences per 1,000 people

So it is worse in London.

Now, can we get specifically "stabbings"?
That's tougher, but is probably in the data somewhere.
I haven't been able to find it, though.
(Homicides with knives is easier.)

Again, I never said anything about homicides.
I merely said London has an insane amount of stabbings every year.
You're the one who then brought homicides by stabbings into the debate.
You have a history of moving the goalposts though, so I guess I shouldnt be surprised

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Here's an article from last month

London crime statistics: Is knife crime worsening?

The capital has witnessed several alarming knife crime incidents since the start of the New Year

www.standard.co.uk

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

I never said they were lethal, I said 14,000 stabbings in just one city is insane

Is it stabbing or crime?
Robbing someone at knife point is a knife crime.
Stabbing is also a knife crime.
So is 14000 referring to stabbing or crime? (I haven't looked into it but just basing it off of Valcazar's comment).
EDIT:
From ChatGPT:
In 2023, the Metropolitan Police recorded 14,577 knife-related offenses in London, marking a 20% increase from the previous year. Of these, 72 were homicides involving a knife.

While the total number of knife offenses provides insight into the prevalence of knife-related crimes, specific data on the exact number of stabbing incidents within this total is not readily available. The term "knife offenses" encompasses a range of crimes, including possession of a knife, threats involving a knife, and actual stabbing incidents. Therefore, without detailed breakdowns from law enforcement agencies, it's challenging to determine the precise number of stabbings.

 

[Frankfooter]

Okay let me be clear.

Mass immigration puts unneeded pressure on the immigrants to survive.

In survival mode these immigrants have to take extra jobs, live in overcrowded housing thus creating a lag between them learning the laws etc that may take a shorter amount of time.

They are not taking care of themselves, are in their own little enclave. (Which is not necessarily bad) But what kind of Canada do you want? Multiple bubbles of ppl fighting for scraps?

You may not be frustrated my friend but there are many working class people who are.

Are you describing the temporary foreign workers program?
The one being cut way back?

 

[kinkystinky]

Why would such frustrations be used to blame them for economic hardship that everyone is facing these days?
They are unrelated.
My comment was to specifically point out that minor frustrations being blown out of proportion, to blame immigrants for all the ills in the country is nothing new.
Recent rise in immigration did not cause that.
It has always been that way for decades now.

To get votes perhaps?

So the situation is thus as I see it. I am not arguing that immigrants are the problem for economic woes.

The problem is crappy not thought through policies for ECONOMIC immigrants in Canada the place we live in (I am not talking about asylum seekers/refugees) is creating situations where these frustrations bubble up and politicians use it to their advantage.

It is nothing new, none of this is is new.

I am not sure what I'm arguing about you can't dismiss that many people do feel these frustration. Like it's not racist to point out these things happen and to alienate those who do want to talk through it.

But I get that most vocal pppl bout it are most likely coming from that racial bias lens.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Is it stabbing or crime?
Robbing someone at knife point is a knife crime.
Stabbing is also a knife crime.
So is 14000 referring to stabbing or crime? (I haven't looked into it but just basing it off of Valcazar's comment).

No idea, but to me there's not a whole lot of difference because if someone tries to rob you with a knife and you resist, you're probably getting stabbed

 

[kinkystinky]

Are you describing the temporary foreign workers program?
The one being cut way back?

Any immigrant program that is not thought out.

Like foreign students programs...what we got: scams from India scamming indians out of their money, land. Tricking poor families to give up their life saving, money hungry colleges in Canada. It's bad all around.

Then when there's a push back it just gets abruptly halted and then bam more trouble for colleges here, and domestic students worried about their programs being cut.

 

[Frankfooter]

Any immigrant program that is not thought out.

Like foreign students programs...what we got: scams from India scamming indians out of their money, land. Tricking poor families to give up their life saving, money hungry colleges in Canada. It's bad all around.

Then when there's a push back it just gets abruptly halted and then bam more trouble for colleges here, and domestic students worried about their programs being cut.

People like Doug Ford abused the foreign student program, he refused to fund universities and told them instead to take on more foreign students. Now that they are gone multiple universities and schools are financially fucked over.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

To get votes perhaps?
The problem is crappy not thought through policies for ECONOMIC immigrants......But I get that most vocal pppl bout it are most likely coming from that racial bias lens.

Votes certainly.
Rage farming is an effective tactic.
By the way, economic immigrants is a confusing term.
Anyone who comes to Canada comes here to live a better life.
They all qualify as economic immigrants.
Even our ancestors were economic immigrants.
Some of the frustration, that you yourself highlighted earlier is due to racism or xenophobia.
Some of it is justified.
But all these issues always existed.
My point here is that the blame game starts only when the economy is not doing well.
Then it is suddenly the immigrants that are the cause for all ills.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

People like Doug Ford abused the foreign student program, he refused to fund universities and told them instead to take on more foreign students. Now that they are gone multiple universities and schools are financially fucked over.

The TFW program was abused by businesses as well.
Both the student program and TFW program need to be reigned in.
We should encourage more permanent residents to come here.
That program is good from what I have seen.

 

[kinkystinky]

Votes certainly.
Rage farming is an effective tactic.
By the way, economic immigrants is a confusing term.
Anyone who comes to Canada comes here to live a better life.
They all qualify as economic immigrants.
Even our ancestors were economic immigrants.
Some of the frustration, that you yourself highlighted earlier is due to racism or xenophobia.
Some of it is justified.
But all these issues always existed.
My point here is that the blame game starts only when the economy is not doing well.
Then it is suddenly the immigrants that are the cause for all ills.

I agree.

Economic immigrant is anyone.who is not claiming asylum/not here because they are forced to be here due to war/disasters etc..
They are here alreast in part by choice (I get it's not always 100pecent your choice even if you are migrating solely for economic reasons) as I used the term.

 

[kinkystinky]

I agree.

Economic immigrant is anyone.who is not claiming asylum/not here because they are forced to be here due to war/disasters etc..
They are here alreast in part by choice (I get it's not always 100pecent your choice even if you are migrating solely for economic reasons) as I used the term.

Economic : choice to leave home country more than fifty percent due to wanting to make money.

Asylum seeker for safety.."No-one puts their child in a boat unless the water is safer than the land.”

 

[Valcazar]

I never said they were lethal, I said 14,000 stabbings in just one city is insane

Good thing it didn't happen.

Its not?? What percentage are actual stabbings then??

Don't know.
It's hard to find the break down and I don't feel like actually opening all the raw data files myself.

You're right, they actually had more in 2023/2024.
Over 15,000 knife or sharp instrument offences recorded by the police in that year

Which, it seems, includes "possession".

Again, I never said anything about homicides.
I merely said London has an insane amount of stabbings every year.

Only it doesn't seem to.

You're the one who then brought homicides by stabbings into the debate.
You have a history of moving the goalposts though, so I guess I shouldnt be surprised

I went to homicides because it was a verifiable number.
You did a google search and didn't bother to even look at what the numbers actually said.

I'm sorry facts annoy you so much.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Good thing it didn't happen.



Don't know.
It's hard to find the break down and I don't feel like actually opening all the raw data files myself.



Which, it seems, includes "possession".



Only it doesn't seem to.



I went to homicides because it was a verifiable number.
You did a google search and didn't bother to even look at what the numbers actually said.

I'm sorry facts annoy you so much.

You realize 15,000 people charged with knife offences is a crazy high amount, right??
The only people walking around with knives are criminals and trades people.
And it doesnt matter if criminals are just carrying a knife, or using it. Its the intent that matters.

Also 15,000 are only the ones who got caught. Real number is probably a lot higher.

My $0.02

 

[Valcazar]

You realize 15,000 people charged with knife offences is a crazy high amount, right??
The only people walking around with knives are criminals and trades people.
And it doesnt matter if criminals are just carrying a knife, or using it. Its the intent that matters.

Also 15,000 are only the ones who got caught. Real number is probably a lot higher.

My $0.02

What's the number in Toronto?
What's the number in New York City?

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

What's the number in Toronto?
What's the number in New York City?

What are the numbers in Tokyo??
What are the numbers in Timbuktu??

WTF does that have to do with anything??!!
Read OP about knife attacks in Berlin: https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/germany-needs-afd-period.878453/post-8852845
I merely added that knife attacks in London are also out of control.

You're the one who then added homicides per knife attack (for reasons unbeknownst to me), and if thats not good enough now you're going on about Toronto and NYC stats.
Have you thought about giving Terb a break for a while??

 

[Valcazar]

What are the numbers in Tokyo??
What are the numbers in Timbuktu??

WTF does that have to do with anything??!!

It has to do with whether these numbers are actually indicative of some kind of rampage of knife attacks or not.

Read OP about knife attacks in Berlin: https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/germany-needs-afd-period.878453/post-8852845
I merely added that knife attacks in London are also out of control.

We have no idea where the number came from in that video, of course.
I asked about it, but no one bothered to answer.
Instead you just mistook a number you found in a google search for the number of knife attacks in London.

You're the one who then added homicides per knife attack (for reasons unbeknownst to me)

Because it is a number we actually have, unlike stabbings.
It's also a number that is comparable across different areas, unlike "knife crimes", which will be defined differently in different countries or jurisdictions.

and if thats not good enough now you're going on about Toronto and NYC stats.
Have you thought about giving Terb a break for a while??

It really infuriates you all when I push back even the slightest on the narratives you all accept without question.
It's kind of hilarious.

 

[PeterParker1000]

What's the number in Toronto?
What's the number in New York City?

You like fighting chimps in your free time don’t you

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

It has to do with whether these numbers are actually indicative of some kind of rampage of knife attacks or not.



We have no idea where the number came from in that video, of course.
I asked about it, but no one bothered to answer.
Instead you just mistook a number you found in a google search for the number of knife attacks in London.



Because it is a number we actually have, unlike stabbings.
It's also a number that is comparable across different areas, unlike "knife crimes", which will be defined differently in different countries or jurisdictions.



It really infuriates you all when I push back even the slightest on the narratives you all accept without question.
It's kind of hilarious.

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