Where did I support proliferation of weapons? My question was why the need to carry knives pointing out that I've never needed one.frankcastle said:Forget about daggers. I'm concealing a meat missle for that sig pic. Can't wait for Oktoberfest!Bottoms up and put your lips on that head (referring to the ladies of course).
Why carry a knife anyways. I've never needed to use one.
guess what, it's ok to now take a concealed weapon to school
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I remember about 10 years ago a kid pulled out his Kirpan and stabbed some kid in school here in Toronto.
If it's just a symbolic thing then why not have a plastic knife or a wooden one?
If it's just a symbolic thing then why not have a plastic knife or a wooden one?
Well its true that most of the Sikhas living in Canada are third and forth generation ......The majority are no practicingdrd said:
Sikhas ......for example they drink smoke ,get high ,drink ,and most surprisinly enough drift away completely from there " practicing
ways " .........They chose to cut there hair , change clothes ......and live a non -Sikha way then a practicing true Sikha .
The "non-practicing" believe that they have full status as Sikhs even though they have deviated from some of their faith's traditional practices. .
So Canada is allowing "non practicing "Sikhas to carry there holy sword ......So my reponse to this issue is HOLY COW
Hey is that ring (chakarr ) the same one they used in Xena the warrior princess ?
imnsho THIS is indicative of the common sense our supreme court judges DON'T have. I fully appreciate the freedom of religion act and how we must allow all religions to exist without bias but to pass a law that allows someone, ANYONE to carry a concealed weapon? I can see some whacko forming a religion that allows him to carry a handgun...and the cops cannot do a thing about it. WTF is this world coming to?
I've seen many people on this board talking about this decision, however has anyone actually read it???
read it and you will see that the decision makes sense!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.lexum.umontreal.ca/csc-scc/en/rec/html/2006scc006.wpd.html
read it and you will see that the decision makes sense!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.lexum.umontreal.ca/csc-scc/en/rec/html/2006scc006.wpd.html
Yes he is an orthodox Sihk .(practicing )........and yes Canada allowed him to enter the school system protecting his freedom of relgious rights with no regulations on the kirpin ...then murphys law kicked in .......so now its mandatory that he properly secures it so it doesnt happen again .
What my point is will a non orthodox non practicing Sihks be able to gain the same rights in schools /workplace by this decision -has this opened a new door
When we know for a fact non orthodox non practicing Sikhs are demanding the one practice which is the kirpin ?
What my point is will a non orthodox non practicing Sihks be able to gain the same rights in schools /workplace by this decision -has this opened a new door
When we know for a fact non orthodox non practicing Sikhs are demanding the one practice which is the kirpin ?
the decision has set limits and conditions. I won't be worried too much about the "floodgates" agrument.Alexis696969 said:
Kirpan
There was a similar dispute in the Peel system a few years back and they were allowed to keep their Kirpans . The religious board of Sihks made a presentation about the rights that baptised Sihks must wear all 5 elements to have right to the Kirpan and that they themselves will not support anyone who just wants his Kirpan as a religous right . Those who are carring a Kirpan without a turban etc. are counting on our lack of knowledge with their claims of religous freedom .
There was a similar dispute in the Peel system a few years back and they were allowed to keep their Kirpans . The religious board of Sihks made a presentation about the rights that baptised Sihks must wear all 5 elements to have right to the Kirpan and that they themselves will not support anyone who just wants his Kirpan as a religous right . Those who are carring a Kirpan without a turban etc. are counting on our lack of knowledge with their claims of religous freedom .
Alexis696969 said:
Alexis, I live in a community in which the majority of the population is Sikh. The fact that you state an unorthodox Sikh would come to school wearing a Kirpan is false. A baptised Sikh is to wear 5 elements one of which is the Kirpan. The individuals who don't carry or abide by those five elements are not Sikhs, they are simply like any Christian who disobeys the 10 commandments, say "cheats" on their wife or husband, and goes to Sunday church to have their committed sins forgiven.
If you look at the "Unorthodox" Sikhs, none of them wear Turbans, have a beard, or carry a Kirpan. A Kirpan is only handed out upon being baptised in their Gurudwara. You really need to look into the reason as to why they have a significant and visible cultural difference, and the reasons behind why they wear a Kirpan before the suggestion of any "Non-practicing" Sikh wearing a Kirpan arises. They don't just hand out these Kirpans like gifts to anyone that walks into a Gurudwara.
Alexis696969 said:
I'd just like to correct the term you used to refer to them, it is Sikhs, not Sikhas, and they practise the religion Sikhism, or Sikhi as they call it. Just as there are Christians, and Christianity.
Also the chakar you speak of, I am assuming you are referring to their religious symbol, the Khanda, with the two swords surrounding the chakkar, and the one double edged sword going through the chakkar. The chakkar is a symbol of unity amongst the world, bringing equality amongst any caste, creed, religion, or sex, therefore the world world unified as one in the chakkar, or the "circle of life" as most of us have probably heard. The swords which are surrounding the chakkar are symbolizing the protection and defence of the world from ill-thoughts and evil beings.
Ok so you're saying that there is NO way to get a Kirpin unless you've been baptised? You mean to tell me that I can't order one up on ebay or ??? Are you also telling me that joe blow english teacher is going to know the difference between a kirpin and a fake? Or an orthodox or unorthodox sikh?jay19 said:
GIMME A FUCKING BREAK! Now the teachers are going to have to learn the difference?
BTW: I did read the whole article and not only will the teachers not know who is carrying a dangerous weapon, but by the court order THEY HAVE TO HIDE THE FUCKING THING! Oh sure, he has to secure it by wrapping it in cloth, my load, that is more secure than most banks.
WAKE UP this is 100% bullshit if you think NO other indian, pakistani or other will bring a knife to school and if caught, the teachers will not know the difference.
BTW: What is to stop an anglo from doing this and "saying" he was baptised a sikh as being a sikh is a religion not a race?
ON another note: Did you know that rastas smoke dope as part of their religion but I have yet to hear of Canada passing a law legalizing dope.....but now we have to, it is their religious right, and if the supreme court DOESN'T pass a law legalizing it? They're a bunch of hypocritical bastards....
In addition: there was another lawsuit like this where a sikh wanted to work construction but wasn't allowed on the job site because he wouldn't wear a hard hat over or under his turban. If memory serves he LOST the case as the rules state that a hard hat MUST be worn, no ifs ands or buts.....SAFETY superceded his religious right. Now he had to decide: is working construction more important to him than his religion? NO. If one wants to wear a knife, he doesn't attend public school. EOS!!!
The fact that we are allowing Sikh students to wear the Kirpan to school does not mean that the first thing a Sikh will do is pull out there Kirpan when in a fight.
Lets look at the past murders in schools and within the GTA. It has involved gun violence. Even though there is a ban on guns, and a ban on guns being taken to schools, students are taking the guns to inflict harm upon others. With that in mind, within the Brampton, Malton, Mississauga area the Sikh sutdents have been wearing the Kirpan for years now, sure fights happen, I have yet to see any Sikh student use the Kirpan as there defence in a fight. What I have seen though is some silly kids take there parents' "licensed, and registered" guns to school to show off or to threaten there enemies.
When you look at the fact that people have guns registered and licensed, and feel that they deserve the right to have these guns, so as long as they keep them concealed and there kids are taking them to school, not only in Canada, but in the U.S. (as I'm sure many are aware of the kid who was shot down south somewhere by the police when he pointed a gun at them) why should the Sikhs have to surrender there Kirpans to abide by rules that they have lawfully followed as Canadian citizens. Yet we allow responsible parents to keep registered weapons of mass destruction (a bit of sarcasm) yet there kids take them to school and flaunt them to show off or to scare away their enemies.
Lets look at the past murders in schools and within the GTA. It has involved gun violence. Even though there is a ban on guns, and a ban on guns being taken to schools, students are taking the guns to inflict harm upon others. With that in mind, within the Brampton, Malton, Mississauga area the Sikh sutdents have been wearing the Kirpan for years now, sure fights happen, I have yet to see any Sikh student use the Kirpan as there defence in a fight. What I have seen though is some silly kids take there parents' "licensed, and registered" guns to school to show off or to threaten there enemies.
When you look at the fact that people have guns registered and licensed, and feel that they deserve the right to have these guns, so as long as they keep them concealed and there kids are taking them to school, not only in Canada, but in the U.S. (as I'm sure many are aware of the kid who was shot down south somewhere by the police when he pointed a gun at them) why should the Sikhs have to surrender there Kirpans to abide by rules that they have lawfully followed as Canadian citizens. Yet we allow responsible parents to keep registered weapons of mass destruction (a bit of sarcasm) yet there kids take them to school and flaunt them to show off or to scare away their enemies.
Anything can be declared a religious symbol and carried for purposes of practicing worship. When the first kid goes to the hospital with a Kirpan Dagger wound, and it will happen, the rules will change again. In the mean time...
A Reading from the Book of Armaments, Chapter 4, Verses 16 to 20:
Then did he raise on high the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch, saying, "Bless this, O Lord, that with it thou mayst blow thine enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy." And the people did rejoice and did feast upon the lambs and toads and tree-sloths and fruit-bats and orangutans and breakfast cereals ... Now did the Lord say, "First thou pullest the Holy Pin. Then thou must count to three. Three shall be the number of the counting and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither shalt thou count two, excepting that thou then proceedeth to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the number of the counting, be reached, then lobbest thou the Holy Hand Grenade in the direction of thine foe, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it."
-- Monty Python, "Monty Python and the Holy Grail"
A Reading from the Book of Armaments, Chapter 4, Verses 16 to 20:
Then did he raise on high the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch, saying, "Bless this, O Lord, that with it thou mayst blow thine enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy." And the people did rejoice and did feast upon the lambs and toads and tree-sloths and fruit-bats and orangutans and breakfast cereals ... Now did the Lord say, "First thou pullest the Holy Pin. Then thou must count to three. Three shall be the number of the counting and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither shalt thou count two, excepting that thou then proceedeth to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the number of the counting, be reached, then lobbest thou the Holy Hand Grenade in the direction of thine foe, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it."
-- Monty Python, "Monty Python and the Holy Grail"
Keep in mind one of the restrictions they placed on the student was that he had to inform the principal of the school at the beginning of the year that he is a baptized Sikh and therefore will be carrying a Kirpan to school. Therefore for any other kid, be it Indian, or some dirty south Texan taking a knife to school, would be just that, a knife, and not considered a Kirpan. Obviously the principal is not that ignorant to see the difference between a student who is fully baptised, and one who is a redneck with his head shaved bald wearing a knife on a strap to school claiming to be a Sikh.tboy said:
And I'm pretty positive of the fact that you can't purchase a Kirpan over ebay. They are kept in there temples and they do not just hand them out as I said before. Anything "purchased" outside of a Gurudwara would be considered a knife, or dagger.
Also, if a student from some other origin wanted to inflict pain upon someone, I'm sure his first thought wouldn't be to run to the nearest Sikh student and borrow his Kirpan, or to take it from him. A kid with that much rage would simply run to the cafeteria and grab a kitchen knife, which is sharp, and not "dulled" like the Kirpan is to be. Now that would be a way of hurting someone.
The "dulled" thing, is that the Kirpans worn to school aren't sharpened, they are simply unsharpened with smooth edges, if you tried to cut your hand with one, it wouldn't even draw blood. If anyone saw the CTV documentary on it, they would know what I mean by that.
The "dulled" thing, is that the Kirpans worn to school aren't sharpened, they are simply unsharpened with smooth edges, if you tried to cut your hand with one, it wouldn't even draw blood. If anyone saw the CTV documentary on it, they would know what I mean by that.
Im glad that some of you added the difference betwen a true Sikh and a non practising Sikhjay19 said:
If you look very carefully at what i stated ......I am not in any way shape or form saying true Sihks should have there religious freedoms abolished .(kirpin)......
My entire point of the argument is that" non practicing "Sikhs should NOT have the same rights .Now its safe to say that some Canadians (no matter what religion ) are not educated on the true definitions of the five k's ...nor is the non practicing Sihk
So whomever does not know the difference will feel the difference yikes!
It is a possibility, but until that happens, we have kids with GUNS going to schools and having shootouts, pistol whipping other kids that we need to worry about first and foremost. These are things that are actually happening in our schools, with enough evidence that laws need to be changed to punish those individuals. A student being harmed with a Kirpan is just an allegation we are making.WhaWhaWha said:
if you wanted to injure someone at school there are many objects available to do so!!!
even a pencil can injure someone!!!!
even a pencil can injure someone!!!!
