Gunfire erupts inside Yorkdale mall

[Smallcock]

Did you see the article on this fine, upstanding member of the community:
https://torontosun.com/2017/05/26/m...role/wcm/f5a1ffc6-6c0f-47a3-a2cd-a8204d0c0bda

Just an all around bad apple. Similar to some of the Just Desserts robbers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_Desserts_shooting

"Francis was given fifteen years, and seven were knocked off for the years in jail during the trial. He was thus eligible for parole only three years later, but his 2002 application was rejected. He was released on parole in 2005. On February 24, 2008, Francis was found in possession of 33 grams of crack cocaine and in May 2008 sentenced to 7½ months in jail for several drug related offences. Grant was deported from Canada to his native Jamaica where he was shot to death on October 29, 2007."

 

[canada-man]

The provincial ban on the controversial police practice of carding has led to a spike in violence across Peel Region, according to the chief of Peel Regional Police.

“I believe there are more people carrying knives and guns than ever before,” said Chief Jennifer Evans.

Evans told Peel Regional Council that since carding and street checks became outlawed last year, Peel has witnessed a rise in violent crimes.

“It’s not just that we are seeing an increase in shootings; we’re seeing an increase in the amount of victims from 24 to 40 over the past few years,” explained Evans.

“What we are seeing is that at a homicide or attempted homicide there are multiple firearms being used by multiple offenders and sometimes they are discharging 27 or 30 rounds.”

Evans added that those bullets could easily hit innocent bystanders.


https://toronto.citynews.ca/2018/06/28/carding-ban-has-led-to-spike-in-violence-peel-police-chief/

 

[The "Bone" Ranger]

Doesn't he know that criminals have rights?

The provincial ban on the controversial police practice of carding has led to a spike in violence across Peel Region, according to the chief of Peel Regional Police.

“I believe there are more people carrying knives and guns than ever before,” said Chief Jennifer Evans.

Evans told Peel Regional Council that since carding and street checks became outlawed last year, Peel has witnessed a rise in violent crimes.

“It’s not just that we are seeing an increase in shootings; we’re seeing an increase in the amount of victims from 24 to 40 over the past few years,” explained Evans.

“What we are seeing is that at a homicide or attempted homicide there are multiple firearms being used by multiple offenders and sometimes they are discharging 27 or 30 rounds.”

Evans added that those bullets could easily hit innocent bystanders.


https://toronto.citynews.ca/2018/06/28/carding-ban-has-led-to-spike-in-violence-peel-police-chief/

 

[lomotil]

Time to bring back police carding.

In a nanny state society like Canada where nobody is responsible for their actions and penalties are light and not a deterrent, carding will be of no value and will only antagonize people and not reduce crime. Those who will be carded with the greatest frequency are not the ones who are bringing guns into this country. Corrupt supply chain management at the highest level is causing the low lifes and thugs to have easy access to firearms. It is only a matter of time before a "Jane Creba" typed citizen gets whacked for the pitch forks to come out and a politician proposes robust and draconian penalties to appease the pissed of masses.

 

[HEYHEY]

Image of suspect release, i'm SHOCKED!

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Image of suspect release, i'm SHOCKED!

Hey won't be smiling when he does 5 to 10 years for attempted murder

 

[HenrySenior]

The provincial ban on the controversial police practice of carding has led to a spike in violence across Peel Region, according to the chief of Peel Regional Police.

“I believe there are more people carrying knives and guns than ever before,” said Chief Jennifer Evans.

Evans told Peel Regional Council that since carding and street checks became outlawed last year, Peel has witnessed a rise in violent crimes.

“It’s not just that we are seeing an increase in shootings; we’re seeing an increase in the amount of victims from 24 to 40 over the past few years,” explained Evans.

“What we are seeing is that at a homicide or attempted homicide there are multiple firearms being used by multiple offenders and sometimes they are discharging 27 or 30 rounds.”

Evans added that those bullets could easily hit innocent bystanders.


https://toronto.citynews.ca/2018/06/28/carding-ban-has-led-to-spike-in-violence-peel-police-chief/

Totally agree.

 

[HenrySenior]

There is truth in that. I don't think it's a coincidence that they end carding and gun / gang violence goes through the roof. The cops used to be able to search thugs and find guns and drugs and keep a lid on this sort of shit. Now, it's the exact opposite.

The feds are talking about banning handguns and I do agree with that, however, the bad guys aren't going to surrender their weapons, so they might want to rethink carding because if nothing else, the police can find the illegal hand guns.

Totally agree.

 

[HenrySenior]

There's a correlation between the timeframe when they had to stop carding and when the number of shootings started to increase. If you want evidence, find a police officer who works the streets and ask him.

You'll have a difficult time locating one though, because the ordinary citizen will likely never deal with a police officer, except for a traffic infraction because they are mostly found in high crime areas. The ratio of cop to the population is approximately 1 in 1000 in most places, and its usually the same group of people causing problems, which decreases the odds of an ordinary person coming in contact and lowers the odds to even less than 1 in 1000. Just think to yourself how many times you've been driving and witnessed road rage, seen a drunk guy get into a car and drive away and have looked around for a cop.

Also take a look at Canadian laws. Police do not have a lot of power over John Q Public as much as people think. If you're just walking down the street, minding your own business and a cop stops to ask your name and date of birth, he has to have a reason to do so. If not, you can tell him to pound salt and go on your way. Now if you commit an offence or fit the description of someone who committed an offence, then you have to as you'd be obstructing the law.


If you look further into things, you'll see that Fisheries Officers and Customs officers have more powers to limit your freedom than a cop.

Your freedom for security argument is very weak. Take a look at the Americans, who staunchly take this stance, and look at their security laws. Freedom and security go hand in hand.

Totally agree.

 

[Charlemagne]

Not quite. Minassian killed 10 people with his van, if you deduct that from the total of 70 murders from this year you still have 60, and the total of murders at same time last year was only 35. So thats still 25 more murders then last year:

https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/warmington-our-summer-of-murder



And of course another shooting last night: https://www.cp24.com/news/man-in-his-20s-killed-in-scarborough-shooting-1.4075296

So make that 71 dead now

The year of the gun had 80 murders. As the weather gets colder, murders start to happen at a slower pace. If we were at 60 murders right now, it would still be possible to have around 80 murders by years end.

The year of the gun was topped a few years later as well.

 

[Charlemagne]

Image of suspect release, i'm SHOCKED!

I saw his name. It's not a black one like you think. But people like you wouldn't be able to tell the difference, due to your ignorance and lack of education.

His name sounds Indian/Indo-Caribbean. He could be mixed but it's difficult to tell with one blurry picture that's only a side view.

 

[Charlemagne]

The provincial ban on the controversial police practice of carding has led to a spike in violence across Peel Region, according to the chief of Peel Regional Police.

“I believe there are more people carrying knives and guns than ever before,” said Chief Jennifer Evans.

Evans told Peel Regional Council that since carding and street checks became outlawed last year, Peel has witnessed a rise in violent crimes.

“It’s not just that we are seeing an increase in shootings; we’re seeing an increase in the amount of victims from 24 to 40 over the past few years,” explained Evans.

“What we are seeing is that at a homicide or attempted homicide there are multiple firearms being used by multiple offenders and sometimes they are discharging 27 or 30 rounds.”

Evans added that those bullets could easily hit innocent bystanders.


https://toronto.citynews.ca/2018/06/28/carding-ban-has-led-to-spike-in-violence-peel-police-chief/

That's not reliable statistical and anecdotal evidence.
Economic factors have been changing as well, more violence and drug use come with inequality. You cannot separate them from each other.

 

[wigglee]

Sentences dont make a difference? Really?
So if one guy keeps committing crime his entire life with minimal jail time he would be able to commit the same anou t of crime if he was in jail for a long time?
Hard to open fire in a busy mall when you're locked up behind bars

Jail is a university for criminals... so you're saying we should help them all get Phd's in crime? Brilliant!

 

[wigglee]

Yes, bring back carding. If you're innocent and is carded feel good that the police are protecting you.

Unless of course, you aren't black

 

[HEYHEY]

Jail is a university for criminals... so you're saying we should help them all get Phd's in crime? Brilliant!

You attempt to kill someone or do kill someone and you do life, and I'm talking real life not the canadian version which is s fraction.

 

[Orion1027]

Not to sound obtuse or insensitive, but let me guess.....,suspect; male black, 20-30 years old? Come to think of it isn’t that the description of most these gangland shootings? Obviously there is a gang war going on and our politicians are doing NOTHING because of the bad press involved with going after the gangs. But wait, there’s a handgun ban in the offing, guess who’ll turn over their guns? That’s right, LICENSED gun owners and not the gangbangers. Message to the elected, pull your heads out of your asses and go after the real problem, bring back TAVIS and bring back street checks.

 

[derrick76]

There is truth in that. I don't think it's a coincidence that they end carding and gun / gang violence goes through the roof. The cops used to be able to search thugs and find guns and drugs and keep a lid on this sort of shit. Now, it's the exact opposite.

The feds are talking about banning handguns and I do agree with that, however, the bad guys aren't going to surrender their weapons, so they might want to rethink carding because if nothing else, the police can find the illegal hand guns.

When did carding end?

 

[derrick76]

There's a correlation between the timeframe when they had to stop carding and when the number of shootings started to increase. If you want evidence, find a police officer who works the streets and ask him.

So you're saying you have the facts but don't have the evidence to support it?

 

[Smallcock]

When did carding end?

January 2017

 

[derrick76]

January 2017

So what year is this article inferring then?