Harvey Weinstein the serial sexual harasser.

frankcastle

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I'm done with you. Please don't talk to me again. Feigning interest that you're "curious" how many times I've been raped? WTF
Wise decision. Put him on ignore.

Not sure how in your story where you tried to "avoid" him all night, drank water to try and not get drunk, said NO several times gets turned around on you. Hell saying "no" is the be all and end all..... doesn't matter what happened before that (well unless it was some sort of game with safe words, which it was not)
 

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The guy is under an obligation to "take reasonable steps" to ensure the consent is genuine. If Dude says "Hey, wanna work in this town, open wide." as a starting point that could be the debate right there.

Where belief in consent not a defence

273.2 It is not a defence to a charge under section 271, 272 or 273 that the accused believed that the complainant consented to the activity that forms the subject-matter of the charge, where

(a) the accused’s belief arose from the accused’s

(i) self-induced intoxication, or

(ii) recklessness or wilful blindness; or

(b) the accused did not take reasonable steps, in the circumstances known to the accused at the time, to ascertain that the complainant was consenting.

As I previously explained and stated, legislators would not give rapists a legal out in any statute that penalizes sexual assault.

And you have found an express provision that ensures that law isn't misinterpreted to permit one.

Well done Oagre.

HW deserves to be crucified.

(BTW, are you quoting the Criminal Code of Canada, or the U.S. Code? There may not be much difference in this area of law)
 

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Wise decision. Put him on ignore.

Not sure how in your story where you tried to "avoid" him all night, drank water to try and not get drunk, said NO several times gets turned around on you. Hell saying "no" is the be all and end all..... doesn't matter what happened before that (well unless it was some sort of game with safe words, which it was not)
How was it turned around on her?
 

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Thank you, it just hurts to have people side with the attackers.

Please guys remember that men who are bigger than us and weigh more than us can physically drink more than those who are smaller than them because of blood alcohol levels. He was not wasted, he just wouldn't listen. He followed me upstairs and I said several times he had to sleep on the other bed and not my bed. He didn't listen and kept not listening. And when he was finished he went somewhere else, it's not like he was so wasted he passed out on top of me or anything. He got up early and went around telling everyone. So tell me how he's the victim.
They are an insignificant subsect, don't let them trouble you.

Now Sarah Polley has spoken up about Weinstein going Bogie with her and wanting to start a "beautiful friendship". That's bad news for ol Harv, Polley's reputation is spotless. She took five years off from the business to be a mother to her children. Most don't recover, Sarah has come back strong with Alias Grace.

 

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Those are very different scenarios. The fact is a number of A-list female celebrities were assaulted by Harvey but did not have sex with him. It's a tough choice, but it is a choice. Fortunately he was unable to crush their careers.
Different scenarios but they all involve intimidation, pressure or a threat. All involving duress.

The law does not make a distinction between physical harm or otherwise, when it comes to duress.

It's still sexual assault when sex is not consensual under duress.

Educate yourself and read Oagre's quoted statutes.


P.S. The fact that HW could not shut down some actresses' careers is irrelevant. What's relevant is that he tried or threatened to shut them down. The other fact is, he actually did with others, like Mira Sorvino (who admits this). Intimidation, coercion, duress, pressure, deceit, whatever you want to call it, does not have to be real to cause someone to be compelled to do something against their will. All it takes is for someone to believe it, in order to be induced. When that person who makes a threat is in a position of authority and power, it's easier for them to make it appear real. HW is a scum bag of the highest order.
 
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Smallcock

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Exactly, Weinstein had the power to make sure they could or could not ever act in Hollywood again. I highly doubt he would have bothered to pay 3 of them if he DID NOT rape them, he didn't want them to talk and used money to shut them up.
Harvey may have raped them, but it is entirely possible that he had consensual sex with them and they threatened to blow his dirty laundry up to the world, so he paid them to keep quiet. This does happen.
 

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If those 56 accusers decide to file a class action lawsuit, Harvey Weinstein might end up going totally broke
 

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How was it turned around on her?
You minimized her story down to a guy acting out on drunken impulses and a woman submitting due to alcohol. Just seemed like a callous thing to say especially when you seem to be attributing this whole situation down to alcohol. That guy was a rapist and I don't think he needed alcohol to bring out the rapist within.

You gave a guy an "out" when the most important word Charlotte uttered was "NO"
 

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Different scenarios but they all involve intimidation, pressure or a threat. All involving duress.

The law does not make a distinction between physical harm or otherwise, when it comes to duress.

It's still sexual assault when sex is not consensual under duress.

Educate yourself and read Oagre's quoted statutes.
Non-consensual sex is rape.

I don't know the specific legality of sexual assault.
 

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Non-consensual sex is rape.

I don't know the specific legality of sexual assault.
Obviously, you don't know.

I told you to read Oagre's quoted statutes before you get yourself into any trouble. Ignorance of the law is no excuse.
 

Smallcock

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You minimized her story down to a guy acting out on drunken impulses and a woman submitting due to alcohol. Just seemed like a callous thing to say especially when you seem to be attributing this whole situation down to alcohol. That guy was a rapist and I don't think he needed alcohol to bring out the rapist within.

You gave a guy an "out" when the most important word Charlotte uttered was "NO"
Whether he was drunk or not (we don't know) does not make what he did right nor should it get him out of jail if Charlotte called him out on it. A rapist should be prosecuted just as we prosecute drunk drivers.

The point is that if he was drunk he may not have known he was going too far, and if she was drunk her recollection of the incident might not be as accurate as she thinks (recall the three officers let off after being charged with rape recently where hotel footage helped to exonerate them). The fact that this guy paraded around telling everyone afterward and also did it in a house full of people suggests he is a psychopath or unaware of the severity of his actions.
 

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Harvey may have raped them, but it is entirely possible that he had consensual sex with them and they threatened to blow his dirty laundry up to the world, so he paid them to keep quiet. This does happen.
You mean he was a victim of a con job by those women that he settled out of court with? I highly doubt it, especially with all the revelations (including the wife of the Nirvana lead man who warned about HW in 2005!).

If he was truly innocent, he would have lawyer-ed up and destroyed those grifters.

HW is no dummy. He's not naive. He's conniving, cunning and shrewd.

I really think he paid those women off to be silent so that he could continue with his depravity. Much easier than a public trial which would be a warning to other women.
 

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Whether he was drunk or not (we don't know) does not make what he did nor should it get him out of jail if Charlotte called him out on it. A rapist should be prosecuted just as we prosecute drunk drivers.

The point is that if he was drunk he may not have known he was going too far, and if she was drunk her recollection of the incident might not be as accurate as she thinks (recall the three officers let off after being charged with rape recently where hotel footage helped to exonerate them). The fact that this guy paraded around telling everyone afterward and also did it in a house full of people suggests he is a psychopath or unaware of the severity of his actions.
Nothing in her story suggested that the guy was so drunk as to miss the cues. Furthermore, even if he was it is not a defense.

Similarly, nothing in the story suggests she was too drunk to understand/recall what happened.
 

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Obviously, you don't know.

I told you to read Oagre's quoted statutes before you get yourself into any trouble. Ignorance of the law is no excuse.
Can't find it. Please Re-post the statutes for rape, and the statutes for sexual assault, unless these are the same thing under Canadian law.
 
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