Holocaust deniers.

[strange1]

Interesting post, I was just about to say the same to DonQ

QUOTE: "Don Q"… I agree with your sentiments.
For me the word Holocaust refers not only to the plight of the Jewish people but
also the Gypsies, the weak and frail and elderly, and also all others that died
in both the European and Asian fronts.
DonQ please don’t you dare to compare Holocaust with any other genocide in the history of mankind, Jews like it only one way or you may degrade, humiliate , diminish or excuse . . . lala…lala!
Come one Asterix, now you are losing your cool head buddy!

don is right, the holocaust was not limited to jews (although should not include the military deaths or actions in slaughters in asia. From wikipedia:

5.1–6.0 million Jews, including 3.0–3.5 million Polish Jews[6]
2.5–3.5 million Gentile Poles
200,000–800,000 Roma & Sinti
200,000–300,000 people with disabilities
10,000–25,000 gay men
2,000 Jehovah's Witnesses
He is not diminishing the holocaust at all, it's only you.

 

[cyrus]

You tried to compare 9/11 to the Holocaust. This is patently absurd and needs no further comment.

No I tried to make a point not a comparison; a big difference and you should know that!

 

[handsome sugardaddy]

No. The question is, what's the point? Does the fact that the numbers can never be determined exactly down to the last killed, in any way change the reality and the enormity of what happened?

Take a look at the four choices in this poll. Two blatanly use the word hate, the other two are flat out denials.

Is that how it is, so black and white??

I guess the whole point i'm making is that this poll, as presented is a horrible poll.

I never ever said that it did not happen, did I?

 

[cyrus]

don is right, the holocaust was not limited to jews (although should not include the military deaths or actions in slaughters in asia. From wikipedia:

5.1–6.0 million Jews, including 3.0–3.5 million Polish Jews[6]
2.5–3.5 million Gentile Poles
200,000–800,000 Roma & Sinti
200,000–300,000 people with disabilities
10,000–25,000 gay men
2,000 Jehovah's Witnesses
He is not diminishing the holocaust at all, it's only you.

Oh, I see! So the numbers do matter after all!
p.s. you missed the big ones, try again!

 

[strange1]

The point of the poll was probably to call out Kathleen but the results, despite the biased choices, are astounding.

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p.s. you missed the big ones, try again!

please enlighten?.

 

[zydeco]

Good point DonQ - now back to sugardaddy, you are not answering the question that has been put to you - What is your point?

 

[Asterix]

Take a look at the four choices in this poll. Two blatanly use the word hate, the other two are flat out denials.

Is that how it is, so black and white??

I guess the whole point i'm making is that this poll, as presented is a horrible poll.

I never ever said that it did not happen, did I?

No, but you are making an issue out of something that has no real significance in terms of the event. Again, what is your point, other than to cast doubt on what happened?

 

[handsome sugardaddy]

I can't believe the issue of the Jewish extermination in Europe has come down
to a numbers count. That is the most crass, senseless argument that can
possibly be made. It doesn't diminish the severity of the deed.

We are talking about humans that lost their lives because they are of a
certain ethnic/religious group. They were exterminated for only one reason,
they were Jewish. I can't fathom the argument that 4 million is less important
that 7 million, or any other number. The number count is totally without moral
or just consideration. A human life is a human life. When the numbers get
into the millions the debate about body count becomes irrational.

I stand corrected, the numbers don't have to get into the millions before the
debate becomes irrational.

I voted for the choice of a balanced account of history. The first two don't apply to my feelings, and the last choice I implied as a denial of its occurence.

I never said that 4 million is any less than 7 million. One life lost in the name of racial prejudicay is already too many.

 

[zydeco]

sugardaddy, it would appear that being confronted with several member's specific questioning has diminished your ability to give a straight answer.

 

[handsome sugardaddy]

No, but you are making an issue out of something that has no real significance in terms of the event. Again, what is your point, other than to cast doubt on what happened?

Hey Jerk off........I don't mind debating. But read my fucken posts asshole. I stated from the beginning that I believed it happened. I cast doubt on the figure that is being put out there.........and thats it.

If the number isn't significant...........then why the FUCK is out there to begin with???

To state that the event never happened would be to label me anti-semetic.

I live in South Florida, in a community that is 90% of Jewish faith. They are my friends, and I hold their friendships dear to me.

So FUCK OFF with your bullshit of trying to portray as that.

 

[Keebler Elf]

...I am always amazed at the awe people hold for the Palestinians.

Speaking for myself, I don't hold the Palestinians in awe at all. I find their actions equally reprehensible. The only difference is that the Israelis have greater support from the world's superpower and, as a result, a lot more sophisticated weaponry. I found it farking hilarious (and sad) that Israel built their own "Berlin Wall" to contain the Palestinians. I guess they learned that from the Germans in Warsaw. Talk about flushing your credibility down the toilet. Of course, the Palestinians use suicide bombers to kill innocent civilians, so they're no better IMHO.

I don't feel all that much sympathy for either side in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. They want to kill each other. Have at it then. When the two sides grow up enough to settle their differences peacefully, then I'll be willing to listen. Until then, oh well...

(As an aside, I totally, 100% believe the Holocaust happened. So you zealots can untangle your panties before you start calling me a denier. I remember taking a political morality class and one of the most interesting points made by the prof was that the most damning evidence against the Nazis was that they themselves admitted the Holocaust happened. You can deny all you want, but when the people that were there and committed the atrocities admit it, what you do or do not deny is absolutely irrelevant)

 

[handsome sugardaddy]

sugardaddy, it would appear that being confronted with several member's specific questioning has diminished your ability to give a straight answer.

Did I not post in English for you??

 

[VincenzoTurismo]

We hear more about the Jewish holocaust than what Stalin did to his own people in Russia. Sure, 6 million Jews died in those concentration camps and death camps during WWII. But why don't we hear more about those 20 million Russians who died during Stalin's regime?

Also, why isn't the US stopping Israel from slaughtering Palestinians? Sure the Palestian's make it worse by throwing rocks and being suicide bombers, but just because Israel has more money and fire-power, it does not give them the right to fight back the way they do.

Ciao,

VT

 

[strange1]

... I found it farking hillarious that Israel built their own "Berlin Wall" to contain the Palestinians. ...

I agree with the wall in principle, though not in practice (ie. location). The best course for peace if for both to have their own land and not have to deal with each other until they realize how to do it peaceably.

 

[cyrus]

The only point I was making was that there are people who question the information regarding the Holocaust, as I do, yet at the same time do not deny that there was a genocide.

The numbers are based on an estimate taking into the consideration
The population of Jews in Europe versa the the survivors plus the exodus of Jews pre & post -WWII
To America, UK and the rest of the friendly world.
Was the actual number originally announced an exaggeration, maybe yes, maybe no!
But, I can assure you that historians will continue to research into this and will revise the numbers over and over, that is their job!
However, if the numbers goes down, I fear that you may hear these loud noises coming right in your face about how the numbers don’t matter, genocide is genocide!
On other hand, if the numbers does go up then you will see this entire dramatization as how terrible this tragedy was and nothing must be compared to it!
Back to my original post about the practice of the ART itself!

 

[zydeco]

sugardaddy - Your english is really not that bad - it just appears to be getting more convoluted as you try not to answer directly, a very simple question.

 

[strange1]

We here more about the Jewish holocaust than what Stalin did to his own people in Russia. Sure, 6 million Jews died in those concentration camps and death camps during WWII. But why don't we hear more about those 20 million Russians who died during Stalin's regime?

Probably because they were selected on a more individual basis, not based on their ethnicity. Besides, they were the "Bad guys"

Also, why isn't the US stopping Israel from slaughtering Palestinians? Sure the Palestian's make it worse by throwing rocks and being suicide bombers, but just because Israel has more money and fire-power, it does not give them the right to fight back the way they do.

Already been adressed but the IDF tries to target terrorists and their infrastructure, even at the increased risk to their own troops, not randomly killing civilians.

 

[zydeco]

Once again - good post DonnyQ - yours is once again a welcome voice of reason here.

 

[handsome sugardaddy]

sugardaddy - Your english is really not that bad - it just appears to be getting more convoluted as you try not to answer directly, a very simple question.

Recap,

I was asked to post what I questioned in regards to the holocaust.

I posted, that I question the numbers of deaths, and how it was determined.

I never at one point, denied it happening, in fact, I specifically made note of it a few times.

So, tell me what it is that I have not answered directly??

 

[Keebler Elf]

Probably because they were selected on a more individual basis, not based on their ethnicity.

Tell that to the Georgians.