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Josephine Grey

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Good post. This is true. It's fascinating to go through the various pages and compare the standard marketing 101 Price/Product/Positioning of the $200-$300H LL ads to the high-end $1,000+ hour SPs and figure out how they arrived at it. There are no barriers to entry, minimal regulation, threats of hostile take overs (pimps? bad customers?), lots of movement, few dominant players that are price setters, as well somewhat geographically contained but not always. I'm curious to see in the upoming 12 months what a recession will do to 'the market'.
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Good post. This is true. It's fascinating to go through the various pages and compare the standard marketing 101 Price/Product/Positioning of the $200-$300H LL ads to the high-end $1,000+ hour SPs and figure out how they arrived at it. There are no barriers to entry, minimal regulation, threats of hostile take overs (pimps? bad customers?), lots of movement, few dominant players that are price setters, as well somewhat geographically contained but not always. I'm curious to see in the upoming 12 months what a recession will do to 'the market'.
Most escorts weather the storm and just work more before lowering rates. There seems to be this notion that lowering your rate means you are “unsuccessful” which is what eco101 would tell you but that is not always true in the escort world. Which is why you will see more “specials” as oppose to an actual lowering of rates across the board.

I lowered my rate for touring incalls after COVID. Only by $10. Because volume would cover lowered rate and it gave my regulars a feeling of appreciation to their financial situation. Plus hotels and gas were cheaper so it was all good. It was a good year for me with my mainstream business and those added expenses were now business write offs. It was a good marketing move for me because of the way it kept repeat business with regulars.

I then raised my rates at my private home incall because I thought appreciation can go the other way as well and men who would happily pay more for an incall in my home and not bitching would show me how the client appreciates me allowing them into my personal private home.

So I played with rates (again by $10 only) to play on the “feeling” of the transaction. Nothing to do with eco101, nothing to do with profit margins, ROI, like nothing business related at all. Now coming into 2023 and my usual winter break, I don’t know what I will do with my rates come next year.

As for clients and the recession - clients have already started with spreading out appointments times And moving from 2hrs to 1 or 1 hrs to half hours. This month 43% of my calls were half hours as oppose to May when they only made up 17% of my escort income. So you may see some specials for hours to keep that % higher or even specials on half hours to maximize them even more. Assuming other escorts are experiencing the same.

Just to give you some numbers and stuff.

Edited: another number. My regular to new client are 83% to 17%. Back in May it was 67% to 33% so clients are staying more with their tried and true.
 
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Good post. This is true. It's fascinating to go through the various pages and compare the standard marketing 101 Price/Product/Positioning of the $200-$300H LL ads to the high-end $1,000+ hour SPs and figure out how they arrived at it. There are no barriers to entry, minimal regulation, threats of hostile take overs (pimps? bad customers?), lots of movement, few dominant players that are price setters, as well somewhat geographically contained but not always. I'm curious to see in the upoming 12 months what a recession will do to 'the market'.




It's not true.

I'm not sure why she thinks we don't dictate the market. If SP's could get more per hour, they would charge more per hour. It's as simple as that. There are very few SP's in Ontario that can fetch more then the average rate of 250-350 per hour.

LL is a bit of mind field so it's hard use that as a bench mark, but they tend to be a bit lower tier in general then the reputable agencies.
 

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hahahaha. "hot and bothered"...sure. Just because you don't understand what market value is and I'm trying to explain it to you, doesn't mean I'm "hot and bothered".

ewwwww....I quoted you twice....Insane!

Not once did I ever suggest what any of you should set your rates at, or make any suggestions "on how to run your business". In fact I've encourage all SW's to maximize their earning potential whatever way they see fit.

I'm simply explaining economics 101. If you think there's no market value in this field your just being ignorant and silly. Oh wait...yeah market value is between 60 and 60,000 per hour...I forgot.
Oh I’m sure a women that actually works in the business really wasn’t
I'm not assuming anything....lol. Holy fuck man...

Do you understand what market value means???
abd here we go again 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
 
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Josephine Grey

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It's not true.

I'm not sure why she thinks we don't dictate the market. If SP's could get more per hour, they would charge more per hour. It's as simple as that. There are very few SP's in Ontario that can fetch more then the average rate of 250-350 per hour.

LL is a bit of mind field so it's hard use that as a bench mark, but they tend to be a bit lower tier in general then the reputable agencies.
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I'm not assuming anything....lol. Holy fuck man...

Do you understand what market value means???
Market Value doesn't apply to anything which is unique or very rare. There is no Market Value for an original painting by Vincent Van Gogh which has never previously been available for sale. There is no Market Value for a healthy dog with two heads. There is no Market Value for the mummy of Pharaoh Ramses II, nor The Mona Lisa.

There is a Market Value to purchase intimate relations with a consenting partner. There is no Market Value to purchase said relations with a specific individual.

There's an old joke which illustrates this. A man approaches a woman, and says "Would you have sex with me for one million dollars?", and she says "Yes." He then says "Would You have sex with me for two dollars?", and she says "No, what do you think I am?". The man replies "We've already established what you are; now we're negotiating price.".
 
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ive seen this for centuries a good looking guy thinks hes gonna become escort in his head he thinks the woman all look like perfection so hes feeling really groovy and proud about it.In walks birth a like many other huge woman who fantasize of being with a hot guy and now they can for a price. they walk in his dick goes limp even with a 50 dollar tip to start off men. are visual creatures they dont do well with fat women unless there BBW chasers.the reality is they cant handle what us women can handle and there fore they shouldn't rule the planet lol and lastly perfection doesnt need to pay this guy 20% for him to set her up HES PIMPIN HER RIDE this guys pretty funny and dumb.
this is the one of stupidest and most ignorant comments I’ve ever read on here, which says a lot. A women can fuck any guy with a little bit of lube. A man needs to have a hard dick, which even with viagara can be difficult if the women is extremely unattractive and/or has poor hygiene/grooming and/or horrible personality. It’s not even close to the same thing and not a question of what can be “handled”. It’s a biological difference which make sex work much more practical for one gender vs the other.
 

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Market Value doesn't apply to anything which is unique or very rare. There is no Market Value for an original painting by Vincent Van Gogh which has never previously been available for sale. There is no Market Value for a healthy dog with two heads. There is no Market Value for the mummy of Pharaoh Ramses II, nor The Mona Lisa.

There is a Market Value to purchase intimate relations with a consenting partner. There is no Market Value to purchase said relations with a specific individual.

There's an old joke which illustrates this. A man approaches a woman, and says "Would you have sex with me for one million dollars?", and she says "Yes." He then says "Would You have sex with me for two dollars?", and she says "No, what do you think I am?". The man replies "We've already established what you are; now we're negotiating price.".
What’s so rare about an escort??? Lol
 

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Now you are just being condescending for the fun of it. I think we have been pretty cool with you. You can join the boycott organized by the guys who wants to bring the market down to 120/220. We will miss you.
Not condescending at all. The remark was made that somehow an escort is similar to some sort of rare jewel like a picasso painting, and because of that there is no such thing as market value which is a complete joke.

Keep dreaming. You can keep pushing whatever narrative all you want, but if don't think there is a market value for an escort then just like Jenisis, your being ignorant and silly.
 

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Now you are just being condescending for the fun of it. I think we have been pretty cool with you. You can join the boycott organized by the guys who wants to bring the market down to 120/220. We will miss you.

Do you not understand that pretty much every asset has a market value??? If you can't wrap your head around that, no point in discussing this. Doesn't matter if it's cars, real estate a CEO...every asset has a market value. Not sure what your not understanding about this.
 

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Now you are just being condescending for the fun of it. I think we have been pretty cool with you. You can join the boycott organized by the guys who wants to bring the market down to 120/220. We will miss you.

I'll try this one last way, and if you don't understand it I'll give up. You have a rate for your services. Without even looking at your website or any other place your advertising, I can take a pretty good guess at what your rates are.

If you raise your rates to $1000.00 per hour, what do you think will happen?
 

Josephine Grey

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I'll try this one last way, and if you don't understand it I'll give up. You have a rate for your services. Without even looking at your website or any other place your advertising, I can take a pretty good guess at what your rates are.

If you raise your rates to $1000.00 per hour, what do you think will happen?
Are you asking me this because you are projecting your personal opinion on me that I cannot get 1000$?

The only reason why I stay under 400hr (for now) is because I did not brand myself as high end. I do not want to control everything I say, I do not want to project that lifestyle on social media and I hate taking photoshoot and have a perfectly polished imaged. It's not me. I cannot be someone I am not.

If I rase my rates at 1000$/hr and I apply the strategy above, I'll get it. I just chose at the very beginning of my career not to.
 

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Are you asking me this because you are projecting your personal opinion on me that I cannot get 1000$?

The only reason why I stay under 400hr (for now) is because I did not brand myself as high end. I do not want to control everything I say, I do not want to project that lifestyle on social media and I hate taking photoshoot and have a perfectly polished imaged. It's not me. I cannot be someone I am not.

If I rase my rates at 1000$/hr and I apply the strategy above, I'll get it. I just chose at the very beginning of my career not to.
You'd get it but you would lose more business than you would gain, and your net income would decline overall. That's why you don't do it... bottom line.

It's not about photo shoots, branding, and lifestyle projection. If you believed your income would grow significantly by doing the above, you'd do it in a heart beat. This industry and all providers in it are in it for top dollar.
 

Josephine Grey

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You'd get it but you would lose more business than you would gain, and your net income would decline overall. That's why you don't do it... bottom line.

It's not about photo shoots, branding, and lifestyle projection. If you believed your income would grow by doing the above, you'd do it in a heart beat. This industry and all providers in it are in it for top dollar.
I can see 2 clients and do the same as if I see 6-7. There would be zero decline in my income.

Once again, I simply do not want to brand myself as high end. Too much work lol.

Also, this is not the clientele I want. It's not my world. It's not all about the money. You have to like what you do.
 
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