It doesn’t really matter, your one vote is not likely to change the outcome of an election anywhere. If you understood anything about probability you would realize that, but you don’t.danmand said:So, can I stay here if I promise not to vote??
There you go again, putting words in peoples month. I guess, if you're not smart enough to debate someone’s actual arguments, you figure the next best thing to do is make up arguments and debate them.danmand said:What is the means test you would like to introduce? Equal to the poverty line?
Pray tell us then how you would like to make sure that only informed people vote?someone said:First, it is not clear to me that more uniformed people voting is good. I would say that the fact that more educated people are more likely to vote is a good thing, even if it does contradict models of voter turnout. If you think it is good to have more uninformed people vote, the most effective approach would be the Australian system of just making voting mandatory.
You are a really stupid person. I never said I would make sure only informed people vote. However, that does not mean I would force to uninformed people vote. Those of us who are responsible don’t automatically vote on every issue just because we can. I work in an environment were we vote on a regular bases on different policies and regulations. If a vote comes up on some issue I know nothing about nor care about, I just abstain. Other responsible people do the same in many countries. If you know anything about the issues you bring up in this or the other thread, you would know that there are more than two voting systems in the world. For example, in the American system in many jurisdictions they vote for more things than your limited imagination can imagine, e.g. judges, shieffs, coroners, etc. This leads to very long ballots. Few people are so irresponsible as to vote for every position on the ballet (you likely would as lack of knowledge does not keep you from stating and opinion, no matter how little you know about a subject). Indeed, when I lived in the U.S. I recall seeing the posters someone running for coroner had put up and thinking that even if I could vote there I would have had to leave that spot blank as I had no idea how I would judge a coroner. If you ask the Americans on this board, I think that you will find few who vote for more than a handful of these positions. Even in Canada, I have meet responsible people who say they did not vote in an election because they didn’t have time to study the issues (I should say that I think the uninformed opinions of the people in question are likely better than those of many people who think they are informed). Indeed, I rarely vote for school trustees as I feel I rarely have enough information. The fact is that some people work long hours, have jobs etc. You don’t have to keep people from voting on issues they are uninformed about if they are responsible. However, given that you don’t mind stating opinions on issues you know knowing about, you would not understand the concept of a responsible voter.danmand said:Pray tell us then how you want to make sure that only informed people vote?
Let me guess: White males with a post econdary education and owning property?
I admit to being stupid, but not stupid enough to make a statement like you made, and then try to weasel out of it. I guess you do not realize what you write. If you did not mean what you said, tell us, but don't try to weasel out of it.someone said:You are a really stupid person. I never said I would make sure only informed people vote. However, that does not mean I would force to uninformed people vote. Those of us who are responsible don’t automatically vote on every issue just because we can. I work in an environment were we vote on a regular bases on different policies and regulations. If a vote comes up on some issue I know nothing about nor care about, I just abstain. Other responsible people do the same in many countries. If you know anything about the issues you bring up in this or the other thread, you would know that there are more than two voting systems in the world. For example, in the American system in many jurisdictions they vote for more things than your limited imagination can imagine, e.g. judges, shieffs, coroners, etc. This leads to very long ballots. Few people are so irresponsible as to vote for every position on the ballet (you likely would as lack of knowledge does not keep you from stating and opinion, no matter how little you know about the subject). Indeed, when I lived in the U.S. I recall seeing the posters someone running for coroner had put up and thinking that even if I could vote there I would have had to leave that spot blank as I had no idea how I would judge a coroner. If you ask the Americans on this board, I think that you will find few who vote for more than a handful of these positions. Even in Canada, I have meet responsible people who say they did not vote in an election because they didn’t have time to study the issues (I should say that I think the uninformed opinions of the people in question are likely better than those of many people who think they are informed). Indeed, I rarely vote for school trustees as I feel I rarely have enough information. The fact is that some people work long hours, have jobs etc. You don’t have to keep people from voting on issues they are uninformed about if they are responsible. However, given that you don’t mind stating opinions on issues you know knowing about, you would not understand the concept of a responsible voter.
Perhaps your problem is reading comprehension. I guess English is your second language. What I posted is up in these threads for everyone to see. Perhaps, someone here speaks Danish and can translate it for you. Until then, I’m getting sick of you claiming I said things I did not say.danmand said:I admit to being stupid, but not stupid enough to make a statement like you made, and then try to weasel out of it. I guess you do not realize what you write. If you did not mean what you said, tell us, but don't try to weasel out of it.
I’m not sure you know what democratic is. I doubt if you can name more then three voting systems without looking them up. Look, if you think the Australian system is the way to go, fine. Believe what you want, just stop claiming I said things I did not.danmand said:The problem with your wish, if I may call it that, that only informed people vote, is that your "uninformed" inevitably will turn out to be the poor and disadvantaged, the nobodys in society, the new immigrants etc. You must be able to recognize that as a fundamentally undemocratic view, which has been rejected everywhere.
If your reading comprehension allowed you to understand my posts, you would realize that I made no reference to whether high voter turnout is good or bad. As far as what most people would agree with, I’m not going to try to support my argument with the logical fallacy known as argumentum ad populum. You make enough invalid arguments for both of us.danmand said:Nobody was arguing about voting for school trustees or coroners. In general elections the fundamental concept has to be one person one vote, and I cannot imagine that more than a very few will agree with you in arguing that a high voter turnout is not desireable.
Let us leave it at that. Go and practice your BS on some impressionable young girls.someone said:What I posted is up in these threads for everyone to see.
Again, you show that you have no intelligent arguments to make. In future, if you have trouble with English comprehension, I would suggest that you ask for clarification. If would keep you from looking so foolish.danmand said:Let us leave it at that. Go and practice your BS on some impressionable young girls.
Go and practice your BS on some impressionable young girls.someone said:Again, you show that you have no intelligent arguments to make. In future, if you have trouble with English comprehension, I would suggest that you ask for clarification. If would keep you from looking so foolish.
I guess this is your way of verifying that you have nothing intelligent to contribute.danmand said:Go and practice your BS on some impressionable young girls.
someone said:I guess this is your way of verifying that you have nothing intelligent to contribute.
I already believe that you have nothing worth well to say, you don’t have to keep verifying it.danmand said:Go and practice your BS on some impressionable young girls.
Go and practice your BS on some impressionable young girls.someone said:I already believe that you have nothing worth well to say, you don’t have to keep verifying it.
As I say, I’m already convinced that you don’t have anything intelligent to contribute. You really don’t have to keep verifying it.danmand said:Go and practice your BS on some impressionable young girls.
Go and practice your BS on some impressionable young girls.someone said:As I say, I’m already convinced that you don’t have anything intelligent to contribute. You really don’t have to keep verifying it.
Yes, I am totally convinced that you have nothing intelligent to say. No need to keep verifying it.danmand said:Go and practice your BS on some impressionable young girls.
Go and practice your BS on some impressionable young girls.someone said:Yes, I am totally convinced that you have nothing intelligent to say. No need to keep verifying it.
Your wit is beyond me.danmand said:Go and practice your BS on some impressionable young girls.
