I got Herpes from a BBBJ

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newguy20

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Thanks for your post. This is a welcomed reminder for everyone to be careful.

Best of luck.
 

Mr Bret

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Thanks for the post.
Certainly has me thinking about my future activities.

Sounds like you're a fair minded person.
I think it might be nice to inform the last few MPAs and SPs that you mentioned seeing that this has happened.
Partially as a warning to them that you may have infected them and also to et them know that one of them has infected you.
I'm not entirely up to speed on this so I don't know if they could be contagious and possible not even know about it. Might be prudent for them to get checked.
 

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Where does your wife think the herpes came from? I am very curious
We haven't spoken much about it at this point and I think, for now, she is still processing the information and wants to believe that I could have unknowingly had oral herpes from before we were married and then transmitted it to her through kissing etc. and then it got transferred to my penis through oral sex with her. I mean it is possible, but not sure how plausible that is and suspect she will start asking more direct questions as she educates herself on the topic. Part of me obviously wants to tell her the truth, but I worry that the truth may hurt her even more and maybe it's better to stay quiet if she wants to believe it happened this way. We honestly have a great marriage and I started hobbying before we were married, then gave it up for a while and went back to supplement my sex life at home since she was not able to keep up with my libido. I often only got BJ's because I really preferred having sex with my wife and she never liked giving BJ's anyway. My job allowed me the time and resources to easily hobby without being detected and there was kind of a perfect balance (at least in my mind). Hard to believe that it all got messed up so quickly.
 

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squeezer

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As for me, No thanks to CBJ, BBBJ, CIM, DFK, LFK, DATY etc.
Why hobby then? If you enjoy a variety of sexual encounters if you are not hobbying you are meeting women in bars and other places and still risking STD's.

If it's a fear, stay within your marriage or have just one girlfriend and pray she's not having an affair with a player/boytoy and brings something home.
 

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What happened during the outbreak? Lesions? Pain? How long did it take to go away and what medications did you use?
 

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Although I’m not having vaginal intercourse and do cbj I do partake daty and dfk. From now I’m gonna stop all unsafe practices and just do some foreplay and be safe..
 

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I must say that I for one appreciate you taking a step back from the hobby. Many assholes would just carry on as if nothing changed and infect countless MPAs and, through them, clients.
If possible, I would contact the spas of the three ladies in question. Even if somehow none of the three were the source, they were still likely exposed to the virus via yourself. The least they can do is get checked out.
 

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Here's some info I found on the subject. Interesting that you can test positive for HSV-2 without ever experiencing symptoms. If that's true, you could make a case that you've unknowingly had it for years before you two even met.

Herpes simplex virus-1 (HSV-1) is similar to herpes simplex virus-2 (HSV-2), with the main difference being that HSV-1 is most often experienced as an oral/facial infection while HSV-2 is more commonly related to genital herpes. The two types don’t somehow change into the other type. It is true that either type can infect genital or oral skin, which can cause confusion. HSV-2 rarely infects oral tissue, though, and a blood test positive for HSV-2 typically indicates that an individual has genital herpes, even if they’ve never experienced symptoms.
Blood tests also can be used when a person has no visible symptoms but has concerns about having herpes. Blood tests do not actually detect the virus; instead, they look for antibodies (the body’s immune response) in the blood.

The accurate herpes blood tests—known as type-specific blood tests or serology—detect IgG antibodies. Unlike IgM antibodies, IgG antibodies can be accurately broken down to either HSV-1 or HSV-2. Research (RA Morrow et al., 2002 and 2005) corroborates this finding: labs that used non-gG-based tests (“non-specific” tests) for herpes had high false-positive rates for HSV-2 antibodies. But 100% of the labs using gG-based tests (“type-specific” tests) accurately reported that the blood sample was negative for HSV-2.

The challenge here is that the time it takes for IgG antibodies to reach detectable levels after initial infection can vary from person to person. For one person, it could take just a few weeks, while it could take a few months for another. So even with the accurate tests, a person could receive a false negative if the test is taken too soon after contracting the virus. For the most accurate test result, it is recommended to wait 12 – 16 weeks from the last possible date of exposure before getting an accurate, type-specific blood test in order to allow enough time for antibodies to reach detectable levels. False positives are rare with type-specific blood tests when used in this manner.

–Gary A. Richwald, MD, MPH


http://www.ashasexualhealth.org/sexual-health/ask-the-experts/herpes/
 

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I hear you man. Most of are married / been married - I’m sure we’d all keep quiet until absolutely needed.... as your wife reads more however I don’t think the silent carrier theory for genital herpes is plausible (her doctor will likely tell her the same)... it’s a tad too far fetched.

Thanks for sharing openly.

We haven't spoken much about it at this point and I think, for now, she is still processing the information and wants to believe that I could have unknowingly had oral herpes from before we were married and then transmitted it to her through kissing etc. and then it got transferred to my penis through oral sex with her. I mean it is possible, but not sure how plausible that is and suspect she will start asking more direct questions as she educates herself on the topic. Part of me obviously wants to tell her the truth, but I worry that the truth may hurt her even more and maybe it's better to stay quiet if she wants to believe it happened this way. We honestly have a great marriage and I started hobbying before we were married, then gave it up for a while and went back to supplement my sex life at home since she was not able to keep up with my libido. I often only got BJ's because I really preferred having sex with my wife and she never liked giving BJ's anyway. My job allowed me the time and resources to easily hobby without being detected and there was kind of a perfect balance (at least in my mind). Hard to believe that it all got messed up so quickly.
 

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We haven't spoken much about it at this point and I think, for now, she is still processing the information and wants to believe that I could have unknowingly had oral herpes from before we were married and then transmitted it to her through kissing etc. and then it got transferred to my penis through oral sex with her. I mean it is possible, but not sure how plausible that is and suspect she will start asking more direct questions as she educates herself on the topic. Part of me obviously wants to tell her the truth, but I worry that the truth may hurt her even more and maybe it's better to stay quiet if she wants to believe it happened this way. We honestly have a great marriage and I started hobbying before we were married, then gave it up for a while and went back to supplement my sex life at home since she was not able to keep up with my libido. I often only got BJ's because I really preferred having sex with my wife and she never liked giving BJ's anyway. My job allowed me the time and resources to easily hobby without being detected and there was kind of a perfect balance (at least in my mind). Hard to believe that it all got messed up so quickly.


Is it confirmed you passed it to your wife? Has she been tested or does she have symptoms?
 

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The majority of genital herpes is hsv2
And what they are saying is that if you are infected with HSV-!, there is minimal chance that you will get HSV-2. That confirms what my initial impression was, there is some "cross-immunity" as opposed to strong denials by koreanjames and Schlong.
 

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And what they are saying is that if you are infected with HSV-!, there is minimal chance that you will get HSV-2. That confirms what my initial impression was, there is some "cross-immunity" as opposed to strong denials by koreanjames and Schlong.

Who is "they" you are referring to?
 

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I am writing this as a cautionary tale to others. I don't want people to over react, but I'm sure some will and others will call me a liar and tell me this is a useless thread unless I name names. I will ignore those individuals because I think it is worthwhile to remind each other of the risks from time to time. I was aware of those risks, but (like most of us I assume) had convinced myself it would not happen to me.

I have visited MP's and escort agencies over the years and tried to limit my risks to some extent. I rarely engaged in DATY, never received PS's and certainly never even considered engaging in BBFS or anything that would be considered "risky" by most hobbiests. However, I certainly received countless BBBJ's over the years and often enjoyed BBBJ only sessions.

I have been a long time hobbiest and have contributed many reviews to the board over the years under a different handle. I created a new handle for this post to avoid the inevitable speculation this type of post would generate if I posted under my regular handle. The reality is that I had been pretty active in the hobby lately and don't know exactly where I got genital herpes from, but I have only hobbied at well-known "high end" spas in Toronto and used a handful of equally well-known and reputable agencies at in-call locations in downtown Toronto, Markham and by the airport. I have only received BBBJ's within the last month or so (no CFS) and could probably narrow down the lady who gave it to me to 2 or 3 guesses, but I don't think it's fair to guess. There's no point in others trying to figure out my regular handle and looking at recent reviews, because I did not even get around to posting reviews about 2 of the ladies who I think are the most likely candidates to have given this to me.

I have done a fair bit of research and reading about Herpes the last couple of weeks and, while educating myself has helped me start to deal with this, the reality is that it is still pretty devastating emotionally and will likely ruin my marriage and perhaps my entire life (at least it feels that way now). While the stigma is probably worse than the virus itself, the reality is that I will likely never again experience the pleasure of condom free sex (or maybe any sex at all) in my personal life and I would definitely trade all the BBBJ's I received over the years for that if I could do it over again. We all make choices and I will have to learn to live with the consequences of mine, but I urge you guys to at least consider whether BBBJ's are worthwhile for you.

If you can accept the risk (which I believe is still somewhat small) then go out there and enjoy yourselves. I assure you that I am now fully retired and won't risk spreading this any further, but I have to imagine that there are both sex workers and customers who continue to participate in this hobby and provide or receive some uncovered services despite knowing that they are infected. Even if they only engage in "safe" services, the risk of transmission is still there, both during outbreaks and during periods of latency. I feel pretty alone at the moment, but I know this has happened to others and will continue to happen in the future, including to some who will get infected and never even know it, but may still pass it on to others in their personal lives. I suppose there are worse things that could happen in life, but at this point this feels like the worst given that it is permanent and incurable.

I certainly can't slam a hobby that I enjoyed so much over the years, but be safe guys, make sure you understand the risks and think about whether those are risks you are willing to take given your situation.
Sorry this happened to you, I think STD are something we all fear so this is a wake up call. I have a couple questions

1. Have you notified the Agencies ? While this post is a great start, the best way to stop this from spreading is to get the agencies to test the people you suspect. You may have received it or inadvertently spread it.

2. What made you suspect the women you suspected of giving it to you ?

3. What makes you think it was a BBBJ and no exposure from condom slipping, any exposure to skin can do it

Thanks again for sharing this and I hope you and your family can move past this
 

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You can get both types of herpes at the same time. You get herpes from skin to skin contact even if your wearing a dome for fs or cbd. You can have herpes all your life and not know you have it. If you’ve had cold sores a some point in your life you have herpes. Herpes is for life it lays dormant until your immune system is weak then it shows up. If you’ve had chicken pox or shingles(a form of herpes) you will test positive on a blood test.
 
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