ICU numbers?

[K Douglas]

“Unknown status” still almost only refers to patients who refuse or cannot provide evidence of vaccination status.

We know that none of the patients that get tested or arrive at a hospital with an Ontario health card would be counted as “Unknown status” if they were vaccinated in Ontario. .

Is there still a large number of people who got vaccinated outside of Ontario, refused to upload their vaccine record to the certificate portal, ignored their GP when they contacted rostered patients without a COVID vaccine record, AND don’t carry any evidence of their vaccine status?

Certainly not large enough to be 20-30% of our daily numbers for the past 5ish months.

Some arrive unconscious and/or without known ID. These would count in the “unknown” as well

“Unknown vaccine status” is almost totally reserved as a safe space for antivaxxer snowflakes who ‘prefer not to say’ because of medical privacy hang-ups.

That's not the reason for the unknown status. The reason according to Ministry of Health is due to divergent databases.
Your vaccination status is tied to your health card number. There would be no way that 30-40% of the patients in our hospitals with Covid19 don't have a valid Ontario health card.

 

[K Douglas]

CDC latest numbers.

Vax 0.5 death per 100k
Unvax 6.1

Anyone not vax is missing some chromosome.

Link please?

 

[basketcase]

They most certainly do not. They are less than 50% of those in hospital (121/284 = 42.6%) and in the ICU (75 of 164 = 45.7%). What is it with you Liberals and your lack of math skills?

Seems you have a very different definition of math.



This is today's data given in the source you linked.

89/130 = 68.4%
145/266 = 54.5%

But I'm sure someone sent you the "real" numbers on facebook.

 

[basketcase]

So says the well known BASKETCASE . Such an appropriate handle- it would seem even you are well aware that you are a BASKETCASE.

Care to argue the point instead of just going with a pathetically obvious insult?

 

[basketcase]

I'm not stirring up anything I'm just pointing out that a significant portion of those patients in ICU have no vaccination status. At some points it was over 40% of the total.
I appreciate your report but it's comparing periods of time when our vaccination rates were low. I'd rather see the report from July 1 to present when the vast majority of the older population was fully vaccinated.

As Ben pointed out...

 

[shack]

So what you're saying is that they are cancelling surgeries now in anticipation of the 10%-15% of our population who are unvaccinated (vast majority under 40) flooding hospitals in two weeks time because our case counts are so high. Got it.
Let's see where we are in two weeks time.

Yup. It's the truth. It might also be from people that the under 40 have infected.

The cases are now at around 4,000/day from 400/day 10 days ago. They are planning for the caseloads that they will have 2 weeks from now.

 

[K Douglas]

Seems you have a very different definition of math.

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This is today's data given in the source you linked.

89/130 = 68.4%
145/266 = 54.5%

But I'm sure someone sent you the "real" numbers on facebook.

You are excluding unknown status patients. Try again.

 

[K Douglas]

Yup. It's the truth. It might also be from people that the under 40 have infected.

The cases are now at around 4,000/day from 400/day 10 days ago. They are planning for the caseloads that they will have 2 weeks from now.

As of today there are 165 patients in the ICU and 412 in hospital due to Covid-19.
Let's see where we are 2 weeks from now. Care to make a prediction?

 

[shack]

As of today there are 165 patients in the ICU and 412 in hospital due to Covid-19.
Let's see where we are 2 weeks from now. Care to make a prediction?

There will be more.

 

[K Douglas]

There will be more.

Way to go out on a limb. Especially given that we are just entering the winter season.

 

[squeezer]

There will be more.

and the majority will be unvaxxed selfish POS that will bring another lockdown in the new year

 

[K Douglas]

and the majority will be unvaxxed selfish POS that will bring another lockdown in the new year

If there are lockdowns then the blame should be laid squarely on the shoulders of those in power, not the unvaccinated.

 

[basketcase]

You are excluding unknown status patients. Try again.

The link you provided doesn't have that data. Where are you getting these numbers from?

p.s. The second set of charts posted includes all data. In the past year, the unvaccinated make up 90% of hospitalizations, 90% of ICU cases, and 90% of all deaths.

 

[shack]

Way to go out on a limb. Especially given that we are just entering the winter season.

What's the over/under?

 

[maurice93]

They most certainly do not. They are less than 50% of those in hospital (121/284 = 42.6%) and in the ICU (75 of 164 = 45.7%). What is it with you Liberals and your lack of math skills?

Dataset - Ontario Data Catalogue

covid-19.ontario.ca

There are 89 people in ICU that are unvaccinated out of 165. Both published numbers. The 89 is linked above. Not sure if you are getting your numbers inverted but that is 54% and not 46%.

Also let’s go with your conspiracy theory that all “unknown” cases are fully Vaccinated.

The fully vaccinated population (above 12) is about 87%. That leaves 13% unvaccinated. We can assume there are few ICU cases of people under 12.

So lets “assume” that unvaccinated people make up 54 percent and vaxxed make up 46 percent of those in icu. That means an unvaccinated person is nearly 7 times more likely to be an iCU. And that is best case giving full benefit of the doubt on the “unknown” to the unvaccinated. Is that a good rate?

Maybe you shouldn’t be throwing out accusations of “Liberal” math.

If we were to assume that the unknown are half and half it would actually be 12 times more likely to be in the ICU. And if it’s split even along the 89/37 ratio that is published above it would be about 15 times.

But even if we stick with 7 times, I ask if that is good? Shouldn’t someone with math skills realize that 54% of the cases is not good if it is only 13% of the population .

 

[benstt]

I'm not stirring up anything I'm just pointing out that a significant portion of those patients in ICU have no vaccination status. At some points it was over 40% of the total.
I appreciate your report but it's comparing periods of time when our vaccination rates were low. I'd rather see the report from July 1 to present when the vast majority of the older population was fully vaccinated.

The figure i referred you to shows weekly rates up to December. You can ignore the older weeks where vaccination rates were low.

As mentioned to you before, just because they don't know the point in time status today does not mean they never figure it out for the long term trends.

You keep bringing up the unknowns in the daily report. What is your conclusion? How does that fit with the clear long term trends?

 

[ShockNAwww]

That's not the reason for the unknown status. The reason according to Ministry of Health is due to divergent databases.
Your vaccination status is tied to your health card number. There would be no way that 30-40% of the patients in our hospitals with Covid19 don't have a valid Ontario health card.

Correct. The 30-40% of patients aren’t only made up of people without any form of ID that could tie them to an Ontario health record.

That number also includes patients that have a valid health card, aren’t vaccinated according to Ontario’s database, and also refuse or cannot provide vaccine status, but for whatever reason don’t wish to be listed as unvaccinated.

This would include some people who got vaccinated outside of Ontario, but for some reason have no proof of that. This is after every GP in Ontario was ordered to make contact with their entire patient roster if vaccination status was unknown, to help facilitate updating of Ontario’s database for snowbirds that returned to Canada partly or fully vaccinated.

…AND it also includes all the people that aren’t vaccinated that are declining to provide status.

As I said. Ford made hospitals feel like a “safe space” for Fordnation’s medical privacy snowflakes on this one. Most NA health units include “unknown status” in the “unvaccinated” or “partially vaccinated” groups.

The reason why Federal and Provincial Guidance around “unknown vaccine status” folks is to treat them as unvaccinated isn’t because they’re probably vaccinated.

 

[underground]

Last night Alex Pearson on AM640 reported that there are zero people hospitalized with Omicron in Ontario.

 

[shack]

I never heard of him, which clearly means that it's fake news.

Everyone, go get vaxxed/boosted.

 

[K Douglas]

Dataset - Ontario Data Catalogue

covid-19.ontario.ca

There are 89 people in ICU that are unvaccinated out of 165. Both published numbers. The 89 is linked above. Not sure if you are getting your numbers inverted but that is 54% and not 46%.

Also let’s go with your conspiracy theory that all “unknown” cases are fully Vaccinated.

The fully vaccinated population (above 12) is about 87%. That leaves 13% unvaccinated. We can assume there are few ICU cases of people under 12.

So lets “assume” that unvaccinated people make up 54 percent and vaxxed make up 46 percent of those in icu. That means an unvaccinated person is nearly 7 times more likely to be an iCU. And that is best case giving full benefit of the doubt on the “unknown” to the unvaccinated. Is that a good rate?

Maybe you shouldn’t be throwing out accusations of “Liberal” math.

If we were to assume that the unknown are half and half it would actually be 12 times more likely to be in the ICU. And if it’s split even along the 89/37 ratio that is published above it would be about 15 times.

But even if we stick with 7 times, I ask if that is good? Shouldn’t someone with math skills realize that 54% of the cases is not good if it is only 13% of the population .

Because when I did my calculation the numbers were different (the prior day).