IRAN: it has started. I can feel it.

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Asterix said:
Idiotic really. Most polls showed it would be a very close election and Ahmadinejad winds up beating his closest rival by 2 to 1. If he wanted to steal the election he could have at least made it look more convincing.
From Iran expert Farideh Farhi in Hawaii

What happened in Iran was not only a stolen election (which is different from a selection), it was a brazenly stolen election against a people who in unprecedented numbers had chosen to acknowledge the legitimacy of Iran’s electoral process.

The lovely folks at the Interior Ministry did not even try to make it look like it was not stolen. Aside from the clear irregularities in comparison to Iran’s own past elections in the way the results were reported (e.g., lump sum reporting instead of district reporting as mentioned by Ibrahim Yazdi, not announcing the number of voided ballots and so on), there is absolutely no way the numbers add up.

Ahmadinejad is reported to have received 24 million (even more than Khatami they keep repeating) out of total voter turnout of 39 million voter. This presumes an increase of about 8 million votes for him from the second round of the last election and the unbelievable implication that the majority of the additional 11 million voters that usually do not vote and voted in this election cast their ballot for Ahmadinejad! The argument is simply not credible to anyone who knows Iran.

Why did they do it so brazenly? Why not try to fiddle with the results in ways they have done with the past , by voiding ballots, stuffing them here and there and so on and lo and behold draw Ahmadinejad’s name with let us say 52 percent of the vote. Because they couldn’t. The incredible turnout made it impossible for such subtle manipulation of results. This brazenness was deemed necessary as a show of force; to make sure that the chunk of the electorate that is usually silent in Iran but was turned vocal/political in this election again becomes silent, apolitical, and cynical.

I must however say that as an Iranian there was one result that would have been even more devastating for me than what just happened and that would have been the possibility of the majority of Iranians voting for a man whose mendacity and wrong-headed policies were clearly exposed during the campaign.

Not only Mr. Ahmadinejad will head an illegitimate government but, by accepting the contested results even before the Guardian Council had certified them, the office of Iran’s leader has further delegitimized itself in front of a large chunk of the Iranian political and economic elite and the majority of the Iranian people. It is a shameful day for them and a very sad day for Iran merely because it didn’t have to be.
 

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With the current leadership in place,a war between Iran and Israel within the next 2 years is highly probable. One might argue that it is only U.S. calls for retraint that has prevented it so far.

Perhaps the young Iranians protesting today don't want to be used as canon fodder in such an easily preventable war.

Mass protests are an interesting development - I am watching with great interest.
 

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alexmst said:
With the current leadership in place,a war between Iran and Israel within the next 2 years is highly probable.
The illegitimate and morally corrupt Iranian dictatorship might actually initiate a war to try and rally the people behind it against an external enemy. This is a favourite tactic of dictatorships.
 

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alexmst said:
With the current leadership in place,a war between Iran and Israel within the next 2 years is highly probable. One might argue that it is only U.S. calls for retraint that has prevented it so far.

Perhaps the young Iranians protesting today don't want to be used as canon fodder in such an easily preventable war.

Mass protests are an interesting development - I am watching with great interest.
Israel can go kiss by butt . . .
 

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Rockslinger said:
The illegitimate and morally corrupt Iranian dictatorship might actually initiate a war to try and rally the people behind it against an external enemy. This is a favourite tactic of dictatorships.
Oh give me a break!
Many countries use this ploy including the USA & Israel!
How soon you forgot the neocon and right-tards fav mantra....."You are either with me, or you are the enemy"!....:rolleyes:
 

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Found this on LiveLeak @ comments:

According to workers from the Ministry of interior this is the true vote of Iran:

eligible voters............................................ .......49 322 412
actual voters:.................... .............................42 026 078 ------ 100 %
invalid votes:............................................ .........1 387 161 -------- 3.3 %
mousavi:.......................................... ...............19 075 623 ------- 45,3 %
karrubi:.......................................... .................13 387 104 ------- 31,8 %
ahmadinejad:...................................... ...............5 698 417 --------13,55 %
rezaie:........................................... ...................3 754 218 -------- 8,9 %

voter turnout 85%.
 

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Word has it that Rafsenjani is seeing if he has enough votes on the Assembly of Experts to dismiss Khamenei.
 

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So, are you with us or against us?

Woody is clearly against personal freedom and capitol gains.

His politics are just to the right of communism
 

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There's going to be a HUGE protest here on Sunday June 14, in Toronto in a couple of hours
Mel Lastman Square
start time between 2 & 5
 

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Iran's supreme leader endorses vote outcome

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Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei on Sunday gave his support to the outcome of the country's contested presidential election, the official Islamic Republic News Agency reported.
 

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alexmst said:
Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei on Sunday gave his support to the outcome of the country's contested presidential election,
Disappointing but no surprise from someone who learned election tactics from Mr. Mugabe.
 

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When I see what is happening in Iran, I can understand why so many Americans fight so hard to preserve the right to bear arms. If the Revolutionary Guards pull that stunt here in America, the streets would be littered with their dead bodies. Too bad ordinary Iranians don't bear arms.
 

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Rockslinger said:
So, are you with us or against us?
Now you are talking just like your right-tard buddies.....:rolleyes:
 

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Rockslinger said:
Disappointing but no surprise from someone who learned election tactics from Mr. Mugabe.
Who in turn learned them from Dubya.....:rolleyes:
 

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WoodPeckr said:
Now you are talking just like your right-tard buddies.....
I'm actually a Conservative Liberal or a Liberal Conservative but definitely not a LLL. Dare I ask who are your buddies?
 

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Dare I ask who are your buddies?
Obama and his rational crew....:cool:
 

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100,000 Iranians marched to-day in Tehran shouting "freedom". There is a report that one freedom supporter has already been killed. Too bad ordinary Iranians don't the right to bear arms.

My Iranian friends tell me that Iranians found freedom in Canada, the U.S., the U.K., etc. and they want their relatives and friends in Iran to have freedom as well.
 

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It's really hard to know WTF is going on in Iran.
We are getting bombarded with propaganda from so many sides, you don't know who to believe.
 
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