Is Trump a fascist?
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So Frankfooter - there's your answer. It's not creepy at all to look at your 1 year old daughter and compare her breasts and legs to your wife's. Well not creepy to those in the hillbilly demographic where incest is the norm. So Trump has the hillbilly and white supremacists demographic all sewn up. Quite a collection of followers Trump attracts - isn't it ?
The first photo was well framed, but the second one looks like he's using his hand like a talking puppet.
Spare me the insane excuses for this racist idiot.
Can some please explain what makes Trump a racist?
a) He has not bad mouthed Mexicans as a class. In fact, he says their leaders are smart for exporting their problems to the US. He has bad mouthed the qualities and activities of those who have entered the US illegally (which, one would think, makes them criminals - btw it's hard to remember such a coalescence of support for criminals in the history of the western world). Is it so hard to accept that those would break the law to enter the US might also have already broken some other laws, or be prepared to do so?
b) He wants a moratorium on Muslims immigrating to the US. Why? Because that is the group clearly identified with terrorism against democratic secular nations, and because he doesn't believe the current screening procedures are effective enough to ensure the safety of US citizens (which include (of course) existing Muslim Americans). He hasn't said all Muslims are terrorists. He is suggesting that most terrorists are to be found concealing themselves amongst peaceful Muslims.
"Racist" used to be term that meant someone formed their views about all of the members of class of people based on a class stereotype. That doesn't seem to be what's going on here at all. If people are using "racist" to mean something new, they should clarify what they mean.
Sure. Lies like this:
Mexican immigrants, legal or illegal, commit fewer crimes than natural born Americans, yet Trump demonizes then as a whole which stirs up unjustified anger towards poor Mexicans in the United States.
It is not criminal to overstay a visa. It is an immigration violation, but not criminal.
It's hard to accept for people who look at the data.
Which is pure bullshit.
Which is pure bullshit. How would that have stopped Timothy McVeigh?
And you just described that: you just made an argument about Mexicans as Muslims that was based on stereotype rather than data. The data contradicts you and the only extent to which you can make your argument is the extent to which you can rely on stereotypes.
And it looks good on America. If this is the best they can come up with in a country of 300 million then they deserve to see their country go to the shithouse.
But crossing the border illegally is a misdemeanor, and if you do it often enough you become a felon:
https://www.google.ca/search?as_q=i..._occt=any&safe=images&as_filetype=&as_rights=
Although I suspect that your side of the debate would not have electedyou to pinch hit in this situation, you have beaten your brethren to the punch, so I'll respond to you.
Your assertion is conjecture and nonsense. There is no evidence of any widespread backlash against anyone who legally immigrated to the US, and Trump has not encouraged any such sentiment. If there is a backlash at all, it is against those who entered the US illegally. People are entitled to think ill of those who break the law. Certainly judges do.
Would you prefer violation of Federal law? (Although acting to avoid arrest for the purpose of avoiding enforcement of a deportation order would be a criminal offence.) You're avoiding the point in any event, as I'm sure its just as invalid to rush to defence of people violating Federal law (just so you can relate, like violating banking regulations, for instance) as it would be to rush to the defense of other law breakers.
You're skating very quickly past the point that it took a decision to intentionally break the law to enter the country in the first place. Is this the classic Liberal philosophy again - "it's ok to break any law that we would change?"
Which part is bullshit? That there are more Muslim terrorists threatening western countries than any people from any other group? That Muslim terrorists hide amongst peaceful Muslims so as to conceal their activities and identity? In any event, even if Trump were completely wrong on the facts (which he isn't), that would make him wrong about the need to more carefully screen immigrants from this group, but not a racist. He would not be proceeding from the position of racial stereotype, but rather from position that the information made available to him indicates that groups like ISIS are the greatest terrorist threat to the US and that the group self-identifies as Muslim and conceals their identities within Muslim communities.
Well, there certainly have been terrorists that weren't Muslim. I don't believe Trump is in favour of those individuals either. However, if those people are already citizens, it's not an immigration issue. Not much evidence of sleeper cells forming internationally amongst non-Muslims, however.
It's not a stereotype to say that every Mexican that entered the US illegally has broken the law. It's a tautology. However, Trump has not claimed that every Mexican desires to illegally enter the US, nor has he claimed that there is anything wrong with Mexicans who entered the US legally.
What people seem to mean when they call Trump a racist is "Trump has criticised a group (in this case Mexicans in the US illegally) who might suffer some backlash if other people decide to directly express their outrage over the actions of that group". However, that is not racism. If Trump was actually advocating that people act unlawfully towards such people, then there might be a problem (albeit not a racism problem). However, he hasn't done that. Trump thinks something should be done about people who broke the law. He's not wrong (unless you have a "liberal" view of law enforcement - see above).
This is really a case where liberals know that they've let this problem get out of hand, and they've been called on it, and the only way they know how to respond is try to bury the problem by: a) granting amnesty (nothing to see here folks), or b) trying to bury the problem again by attempting to shame anyone who talks about solving it.
Let's not
You're harping on about technicalities now fuji. When you overstay your VISA you shouldnt be in the country to begin with, and you deserve to get tossed out on your ass.
End of story
And you know why?? Its because Obama and his Demorats know most illegal immigrants will vote Demorat once they've gained a foothold into the US. If it were up to Obama he would let half of Mexico into the country illegally.
We should change the term "undocumented immigrants" to "undocumented Demorats".
Its typical Liberals, they're willing to cheat and break the law so they can win elections
Even Hitler had his hand bent at half mast but his supporters had them raised - identical to Trump supporters. However look at the crowd surrounding him....
I am not suggesting that Trump will instigate labour camps for immigrants and Muslims ... wait let me think about that ...okay ... I do think that he is using Hitler tactics promoting intolerance, bigotry, violence to get elected (yes, Hitler was originally elected before seizing power). He has advocated an expanded war the US armed forces said they refuse to carry out and promoted a nuclear proliferation policy that would see more nuclear weapons spread through the world. So I would suggest he shares Hitler's propensity for peace also.
What was so controversial about that?? He won by a small margin of votes, but Bush still won.
Rudy Giuliani endorses Trump: http://nypost.com/2016/04/07/rudy-giuliani-is-voting-for-donald-trump/
Bush lost the national popular vote and when it was evident that the review of Florida ballots by hand were pushing Gore into the winner's circle, Republicans called on their friend Justice Scalia to stop the manual count so that Bush could win. By ignoring the voters - Bush was elected by a biased judge not the people. Second election was fair however.
Rudy Giuliani is a tarnished Republican and doesn't have the stature he once did. Does share a propensity with Trump for cheating on his wife - I'll give him that.
The media has it out for Trump, they are no longer reporting on him but in full attack mode. I think they resent belong lead around like fools for the last 9 months and realize how easily they were played.
Good thing the popular vote means nothing, and US elections are decided by electoral votes
This is complete horseshit. There was a recount, Bush won by a small margin, and Al Gore knew he lost and therefore had to concede. Stop listening to biased left-wing news media
How is he tarnished??
Oh, and since when does infidelity make someone a bad President?? Remember Bill Clinton??
These are private family matters, and have nothing to do with how someone rules a country
This is your typical Liberal. No brain and all knee-jerk reaction:
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Sorry but let's review your argument: you made a claim that Mexican illegal immigrants are more likely to break the law because they entered illegally. That is stereotyping, and it is false. The data shows they are LESS likely to break the law. Your argument was based on collective racial character assassination in furtherance of a false stereotype.
You then made a similar stereotypical argument about Muslims, again, not based on any data.
You are living proof of what I criticized in Trump and his supporters and your post above is Exhibit A.
But only because Republicans adopt these anti immigrant policies. If it weren't for that, they would be natural Republican voters: religious, conservative, family oriented, concerned about crime. Republican policy on Mexicans is the only thing that makes them natural Democrats.
Good news. Former mayor of New York, Rudy Guliani (the man that turned NYC from a dangerous cesspool into the the safe gleaming city it is today) is voting for Trump and said in an interview that many powerful establishment Republican leaders are waiting in the wings to do the same. Politicians wait to see where the wind blows before committing to anything.
Furthermore, Normal Seabrook (who happens to be black), the President of New Yorks correctional officers benevolent association is endorsing Trump.
Furthermore, Normal Seabrook (who happens to be black), the President of New Yorks correctional officers benevolent association is endorsing Trump.
