Oh well.... if the truth hurts.... so be it. i am not here to gain brownie points with anyone. i still think i worded it pretty politely regardless. i did defend those coming here to escape. Immigrations however should be more closely monitored even if they say that the percentage of terrorists are very small. If you look at the number that do engage in terroristic activities vs. the number of mulims in the world being (what is it a billion or so?) then there is still millions willing to engage in terrroristic activities of different varying degrees. i am not racist, i would not hurt anybody if i could avoid it. But, of course i fear for the furture generations and could think nothing is likely to happen here in Canada in my lifetime, but that would be a i do not give a dang sort of attitude. We are supposed to leave a better world for our children, our grand children etc.... i feel sorry for women that are treated in a sexist fashion i.e. skin is just that "SKIN" we all have it. People have the right to be bi, gay, into bdsm, kinksters, players, into music (which makes people happier) to enjoy life as they see fit. To love animals of all kinds (including dogs) Women do not deserve to be treated as propety of men (unless that is what they choose) and i may not be the one to speak abou that too much as i am into bdsm and consider myself owned property to my Master and wear His collar, but ...... i am all for freedom of choice for women. That is my choice and how, you may say i have choosen to be married. Women should be free to marry who they wish of any religion or non religion that they wish. i feel yes, it is respectful to ask a father for the hand of the one you love in marriage and is a respectful thing to do..... but... if the father says no then i say so be it, if you know she is for you run away and marry her. You do not however, kill your daughter for disobeying and doing what makes her happy. If in the long run it was the wrong decision and it does not work out, your daughter is still alive, is your blood and you should still love her. Everyone should be free to make thier own mistakes and decisions, live and learn etc.... For to look at a woman as less than human is wrong in my opinion and for that i would back the muslim women that are abused, lose thier children because they are considered first the property of thier fathers and second to her husband and children the property of the man etc.... Fine i guess, if that is what they believe as did our ancestors, but... we are her living in the now. Women should be respected as human beings. i watched documentaries showing women in court crying thier hearts out because thier children are given right away to the men to raise after a divorce. It is a shame that women in places like that do not work, do not have equal opportunities, children should not be handed over for one reason being that he is a man alone. Let us not forget, that if a woman is given a choice stay married and abused or lose your child is a very unjust system. i.e. a woman is burned for not listening to her husband or beaten and then wants and divorce is to just adding more abuse and mistreatement to the abused. This is not saying all women are better parents, surely there is bad women here in Canada that the children just may be better off with the father. But, when you watch a documentary like that and a judge says hand the child over or go home with your husband????? OMG. Surely any man with half a brain would see that as not right and not wish that upon his daughter or grand daughter, niece or whomever. Anyhow, imho flesh is just flesh, men and women alike have it. To believe that it is o.k. for women to pray behind a man, but not a man behind a woman because women are diffent and not attracted to a mans bottom is beyond me. i am attracted to sexy men myself, so have to laugh at that. Those construction workers mmmm mmmm mmmm lol. Some men have very nice bottoms. lol i also say, that God created everything in this world with its own beauty to be enjoyed i.e. birds, butterflies, flowers, horses, and i do admire horses and colts and if anyone came and said they need to be covered i would bonk them over the head and say wake up. Let's face it animals have holes and cocks too and have no shame. There should be no shame in sex as that is how we were created, we are who and what we are. It is all natural, just respect the innocence of children and keep it indoors is all i ask. But, children can see that behaviour in animals in the zoo etc... and should be taught it is natural if and when asked. Not to be taught is is shameful and that women should cover her natural god given beauty and that there is beauty in the world all around us. jmho
Islam is a Religion of Peace
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Food for thought on "PEACE" would you not believe greater peace would be achieved by letting people have freedom to live the lifestyle they choose, marry who they choose and not attack others for being who they are? To not look in disgust at someone for being bi, gay, collared etc... to not teach children to hate others for thier beliefs etc.... See... this is a confict that i have with islam and the only conflict that i do have with it is the mistreatment of all others for thier beliefs and how they treat others. Yes, they could say that Christians do not like gay either, but they do not any longer in Canada mistreat them and many Christians actuallly mingle with them with no problem, i know i do. i go to bdsm events and mix and mingle with them all the time and some are actually my friends. i do follow the love they neighbour policy. i am straight, yes because of my beliefs, but i have no problem with it inside my mind or otherwise. i say do not teach hate. Yes, i do teach my children that God said to go and multipy and that to do so they need to marry the opposite sex, but do not let them hate others for sexual preference. i agree with the song, people are people so why should it be that you and i should get along so awfully. Nuff said, have a great day everyone. 
All the good things in the bible are from the new testament, the old testament is composed of stories about god's wrath and punishment. Now if both the old and new testament are real accounts of god, then it is obvious to me that they are of 2 different gods. Now regardless of new or old testament, there is a hell for everyone but the special few. There is no way to reconcile hell for non believers and a religion of peace, be it christianity or Islam, at the root of both religions is a fairy tale god that would bestow eternal torment on non believers. If your god is douche enough to put 75% of the world's population into a furnace and have them suffer the pain of being cooked alive for an eternity, and you still worship this god, then you have to admit that killing/stoning/raping non believers in this world is just small potatoes compared to what god has planned for non believers.
The question is not "Is Islam a religion of peace", the question should be "is there a religion of peace", the answer to that is probably yes and that religion is Buddism, Hinduism might also qualify but I know nothing about it. Buddism is almost not a religion, there is no hell, and there is only 1 rule, the golden rule; respect all life. Should gays marry? Respect all life, Yes. Is slavery wrong? Respect all life, Yes it is wrong. Can I kill and rape non believers? Respect all life, No.
I am not a buddist, I am an Atheist. I would rather my neighbor be a christian than an Islamist, I would rather my neighbor be buddist than christian, I would rather my neighbor be atheist than buddist.
The question is not "Is Islam a religion of peace", the question should be "is there a religion of peace", the answer to that is probably yes and that religion is Buddism, Hinduism might also qualify but I know nothing about it. Buddism is almost not a religion, there is no hell, and there is only 1 rule, the golden rule; respect all life. Should gays marry? Respect all life, Yes. Is slavery wrong? Respect all life, Yes it is wrong. Can I kill and rape non believers? Respect all life, No.
I am not a buddist, I am an Atheist. I would rather my neighbor be a christian than an Islamist, I would rather my neighbor be buddist than christian, I would rather my neighbor be atheist than buddist.
i say it is not for us to decide who should live and die, leave it to God, i am no executioner and view that as wrong too. Just because our ancestors did it or it happened in the old testament does not make it right. Thank goodness Christians of today are told to practise from the NT and ingnore the OT. Now, how do we fix islam, where do we tell them to practise from so we can all live more peacefully? Myself i also believe that if someone does not learn about Christianity it does not condemn them to hell. Just because someone does not know about Jesus etc... does not mean that God does not love them. To me it is how you live your life, if you harm others (not in self defense, that to me is different) myself, i am a very open minded individual, i may practise my faith, but i also party, play, was an sp and i also will defend what i believe is right to defend. Human rights is one thing, everyone has the right to life and to be safe. For the most part violence is not the answer. i have no problem with anyone as long as they have no problem with me, but you cannot please all of the people all of the time. i live my life with simple policies of respect and most of my rulues i bestow upon myself are not even religiously based. i.e. like you said slavery is wrong, free choice is right, respect all others. So, if you ask me if God will condemn non believers i say to that the answer is no imho. Human compassion and understanding is the forefront of what i stand for. We all have good and bad days so to that if i see someone in a bad mood i may not curse them out and think, that person could be in pain or suffering or lost someone. Simple gestures can go a long way, holding doors open for people, a simple smile, kindness etc.... to me it is not the belief, but how the "INDIVIDUAL" practises. So.. one Christian can be less stuck up than another and believe me i know a few. lol One athiest too could be less tolerant of certain things than another too. It is individual beliefs and way of life. If Christianity makes someone more kind and give guidelines to how one should behave than so be it. i just do not like those that think dressing up to the 9's and shunning the poor. i.e. one example, someone walks into a church, poor, looks like a begger, but the bible does teach come as you are and the people inside turn in disgust. Acceptance is the way to go. People have thier up days and down days in life. Those that have been fed by a golden spoon all thier lives may not have as much compasion towards others as those that had to struggle. Anyhow, if a fear of hell does indeed make a person a better individual i will not knock them for it. Likewise if they harm nobody and do not believe and are generally a good person that is enough for me. i believe God looks at the acts of an individual, another Christian may not. i say God created us as we are, but... should anyone be forced into anything belief, marriage etc.... NO WAY. (goes away whistling, always look to the bright side of life, do do do do do do do do do do.
WIBUR,...If your post that I replied to was in jest,...I truly do feel like smacking my forehead,...if not,...carry on.
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Really not that complicated
Pretty simple really,...of course,... for those who are not indoctrinated and or weak minded.
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Couldn't have put it better,...confirms my position that ALL religions were created solely for governing the populace when nothing else existed,...hence the need for threats, to exercise control.
Pretty simple really,...of course,... for those who are not indoctrinated and or weak minded.
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I disagree. Religion was created to try and explain the world and give people meaning for their lives.
It was later that people used it as a means to gain power.
The religion has been twisted and distorted by the idiots currently espousing hatred while hiding behind it. For centuries, Islam was the primary supporter of science, astronomy and the arts. Now, it's largely a corrupt sham that has perverted and twisted the words and tenets of the faith. Any group who thinks blowing up children or putting weapons in schools, or stoning rape victims, well sorry, that's not a religion any more, it's cult and needs to be eliminated.
The evolution of religion
Why was it needed then,...when survival was meaning enough,...and not now,...???
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WHY,...???
Why was it needed then,...when survival was meaning enough,...and not now,...???
On this,...we can agree.
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We've evolved with the desire to explain and manage the world around us and it's the big reason why humans have been so successfully. We always search for answers and better ways to do things. Now we can fill the gap with scientific observation and evidence based theories (or crazy conspiracy theories - which is essentially a modern religion).
Holy :wink: shit, we agree once again,...has been no need for religion, for a very long time.
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Many muslim scholars split the world into 2 parts - The House of God (Muslim countries) and the House of War (everyone else).
BY our lights, Mohammed was a warlord and a pedohpile who started taking sexual pleasure from his favorite concubine Aisha at age 6 and full on sex at 9.
Since he is a man without flaw, a muslim can be both and be secure that he is being a good muslim
BY our lights, Mohammed was a warlord and a pedohpile who started taking sexual pleasure from his favorite concubine Aisha at age 6 and full on sex at 9.
Since he is a man without flaw, a muslim can be both and be secure that he is being a good muslim
He would never be allowed to play in the NFL or own an NBA team. In fact, we might even throw him in prison.
I guess it depends on how you define need (we don't need cellphones or computers either). If religious belief makes people feel better about their lives then all the power to them. Using religious belief as an excuse to do nasty shit is a whole other story. Of course even without religion we still find all sorts of excuses to justify our innate assholeness.
As a society,...the subject matter, and the above are not a necessity.
This is fine, some people need a crutch, or can't handle the cruel world we live in, no problem here,....BUT,... as long as the subject "people" had/have a choice, as apposed to being lied to threatened, and/or indoctrinated at a young age.
Then not so fine.
True dat.
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Religion was our first attempt at science, at making the unknown into a known, I believe this was the initial motivation that created most religions. However, this is not the reason why people have such a hard time giving up religion, that is to say that nobody really cares about answers to questions that only religion can answer. The reason why people can not give up religion is vanity, God is special, God cares about you so that makes you special and everyone wants to feel special.
