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Robert Mugabe said:
I dunno. Ask Hamas about the 1400 they killed in Israel.
As for depriving them of food, water and power, ask them about the hostages.
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Then you would have to ask Israel about the 200 Palestinians killed before this and the thousands killed in recent years.You'd have to ask about 2014, 2021, the Great March of Return in 2018, apartheid, the occupation and the blockade.

Which is what should happen, but it should happen at the Hague.
Charge the leaders of Hamas and Israel.
Bring in the blue hats and end apartheid.

UNRWA says Gaza staff ‘no longer able to provide humanitarian assistance’

The chief of the UN Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA) has issued a stark warning on the organisation’s ability to continue to deliver assistance to the hundreds of thousands of people in need in Gaza.

Here's a photo of the UNRWA warehouse that stored food for refugees in Gaza, 75% of Gaza are refugees.

 
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Kautilya said:
Someone here explained that they did not storm anything and that it was apparently allowed per the law. I am yet to find that post. So I dont think any resulting violence falls under the terrorism category. However, there were other settler violences that have resulted in needless deaths. Those are definitely terrorist attacks and yes, I support putting one right between the eyes for those assholes too.
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With all the suffering & war in the world, why do you care so much about this particular fight overseas?
 
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Sometimes you have to wonder why...there are palestinians living in Israel among the Jews....but Gaza is "clean of Jews"...
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The Jewish communities in Gaza throughout the years | Gush Katif Heritage Center

מרכז מורשת גוש קטיף הינו גוף ממלכתי כדי לספר את סיפור ההתיישבות בגוש קטיף ובצפון השומרון. כנסו לעמוד The Jewish communities in Gaza throughout the years
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The depletion of the Jewish community in Gaza was caused by economic concerns. In 1927 the Jewish community in Gaza numbered 50 men. They lived within the Arab environment and remained on a friendly relationship with their Arab neighbors. After two years, everything changed. In August 1929, during the Arab riots in Hevron, the Arabs in Gaza similarly tried to harm the Jews in Gaza, and massacre them as had been done to the Hevron Jews. The Jews gathered in a city hotel. With the help of the a-Shawa family which belonged to the aristocracy of Gaza Arabs, the British managed to protect them from the Arab mob besieging the hotel and get them out in the middle of the night by train to Lod, and from there to Tel Aviv.

The story of the Jewish community in Gaza during the 1929 Arab riots was pushed out of the national memory. It does not appear in documents, except for noting the fact that “The Jewish community in Gaza ceased to exist after the 1929 Arab riots”. In the full report of the British Commission of Inquiry (the Shaw Commission) which investigated the 1929 Arab riots at the end of that year, they did not even mention the events in Gaza, and not one Jew from Gaza was invited to testify before the commission.

The Arab riots destroyed the Jewish community in Gaza. All attempts to renew the Jewish community in the city in the following years failed. Gaza became a city ‘clean’ of Jews.
 
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richaceg said:
Sometimes you have to wonder why...there are palestinians living in Israel among the Jews....but Gaza is "clean of Jews"...
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The Jewish communities in Gaza throughout the years | Gush Katif Heritage Center

מרכז מורשת גוש קטיף הינו גוף ממלכתי כדי לספר את סיפור ההתיישבות בגוש קטיף ובצפון השומרון. כנסו לעמוד The Jewish communities in Gaza throughout the years
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The depletion of the Jewish community in Gaza was caused by economic concerns. In 1927 the Jewish community in Gaza numbered 50 men. They lived within the Arab environment and remained on a friendly relationship with their Arab neighbors. After two years, everything changed. In August 1929, during the Arab riots in Hevron, the Arabs in Gaza similarly tried to harm the Jews in Gaza, and massacre them as had been done to the Hevron Jews. The Jews gathered in a city hotel. With the help of the a-Shawa family which belonged to the aristocracy of Gaza Arabs, the British managed to protect them from the Arab mob besieging the hotel and get them out in the middle of the night by train to Lod, and from there to Tel Aviv.

The story of the Jewish community in Gaza during the 1929 Arab riots was pushed out of the national memory. It does not appear in documents, except for noting the fact that “The Jewish community in Gaza ceased to exist after the 1929 Arab riots”. In the full report of the British Commission of Inquiry (the Shaw Commission) which investigated the 1929 Arab riots at the end of that year, they did not even mention the events in Gaza, and not one Jew from Gaza was invited to testify before the commission.

The Arab riots destroyed the Jewish community in Gaza. All attempts to renew the Jewish community in the city in the following years failed. Gaza became a city ‘clean’ of Jews.
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You should go back further.

Prior to 1947 and the zionist movement the mandate of Palestine was a pretty multicultural place, as were most of the countries around them. Beirut was the Paris of the middle east, Iraq had a vibrant Jewish community as did a lot of other Arabic countries.

The zionist movement has been the problem. Not the Jewish people and not Palestinians, but zionism. Its a stupidly 19th century racist colonial movement that has not made Jews or anyone else safer or happier. Stupid ethno states.
 
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Frankfooter said:
You should go back further.

Prior to 1947 and the zionist movement the mandate of Palestine was a pretty multicultural place, as were most of the countries around them. Beirut was the Paris of the middle east, Iraq had a vibrant Jewish community as did a lot of other Arabic countries.

The zionist movement has been the problem. Not the Jewish people and not Palestinians, but zionism. Its a stupidly 19th century racist colonial movement that has not made Jews or anyone else safer or happier. Stupid ethno states.
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go back further to when?
1000s?BC?
 
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Frankfooter said:
Sigh.

Why don't we just stick to talking about a way to end the cycles of violence without genocide?
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You done arguing and let's focus on solutions? I can do that...
Remove Hamas...
 
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Frankfooter said:
Sigh.

Why don't we just stick to talking about a way to end the cycles of violence without genocide?
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Who would you propose Israel negiotiate with? It's not like Israeli PMs haven't tried this path already and those PMs didn't have a massacre of this magnitude to look past to forge any kind of lasting peace, which feels millions of miles away at this point.
 
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bggolfingmaniac said:
Who would you propose Israel negiotiate with? It's not like Israeli PMs haven't tried this path already and those PMs didn't have a massacre of this magnitude to look past to forge any kind of lasting peace, which feels millions of miles away at this point.
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Palestinians.
Negotiate with Palestinians.

Israeli PM's have had massacres this big before, though they've now killed more than they did during 2014, 2018 and 2021.
But you may have a point, Israel won't negotiate with Palestinians and if they do it would likely be a repeat of Oslo, which only lead to half a million more settlers in Palestine.

Instead its time for the international community to force Israel to end apartheid through sanctions.
End apartheid, the occupation and the blockade.

This is the path to end the violence.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1713551569096986677
 
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Kautilya said:
Its justified to kill terrorists. Civilian casualties are unfortunate collateral damage. If a country were to only consider civilian casualties they would never be able to act against terrorists! Apply the law etc are empty statements here. How does that even play out?
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So you think if Hamas says Israeli settlers are terrorists they are justified in killing them?
Take your logic to its conclusion.

That's why I back the rule of law, not labelling someone 'terrorist' to justify killing them.
 
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Frankfooter said:
Palestinians.
Negotiate with Palestinians.

Israeli PM's have had massacres this big before, though they've now killed more than they did during 2014, 2018 and 2021.
But you may have a point, Israel won't negotiate with Palestinians and if they do it would likely be a repeat of Oslo, which only lead to half a million more settlers in Palestine.

Instead its time for the international community to force Israel to end apartheid through sanctions.
End apartheid, the occupation and the blockade.

This is the path to end the violence.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1713551569096986677
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Sorry, I, and most of the planet, don;'t consider BDS postings to be honest or truthful. But hey, you do you, you seem to have a lot of friends here.
 
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Frankfooter said:
So you think if Hamas says Israeli settlers are terrorists they are justified in killing them?
Take your logic to its conclusion.

That's why I back the rule of law, not labelling someone 'terrorist' to justify killing them.
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YOu don't back the rule of law...you back Hamas....somehow you still think their actions are justified....Israel can't remove Hamas without collateral damage....Hamas after all uses civilians as body shields, they uses residential areas as rocket installations...the Palestinians need to remove Hamas...they need to fix the problem they created...
 
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dirtyharry555 said:
I care as much as I do about Ukraine, North Korea, Haiti, China, and countless other oppressive war torn hellholes. In other words, not at all.

Again, why do you single out this one nation to care about and dismiss the others?
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Why do you believe Ukraine was an oppressive torn hellhole until a dictating warlord decided to invade?
 
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