Israel exploiting Holocaust

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Jewish lawmaker says gentiles' guilt providing Israeli government with excuse to murder Palestinians.A British lawmaker declared Thursday that Israel was taking advantage of the guilt many non-Jews feel over the Holocaust to ruthlessly press ahead with its offensive in Gaza.



Gerald Kaufman, a governing Labour Party legislator, sharply criticized Israel in a House of Commons debate on Gaza, arguing that the Jewish state has exploited guilt that much of the world feels for having ignored the slaughter of millions of Jews during World War II.



"The present Israeli government ruthlessly and cynically exploits the continuing guilt from Gentiles over the slaughter of Jews in the Holocaust as justification for their murder of Palestinians," he said.


http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3657024,00.html

 

[landscaper]

everyone is entitled to an opinion, just like everyone has an asshole, most people would rather not see either out in public

 

[scouser1]

at some point there has to be an expiry date for victim hood I like to think

 

[elmo]

Interesting...the Holocaust was a tragic and brutal event, but I happen to agree that Israel and Jews around the world have somewhat exploited it and held it up as a beacon for too long. Really...it was over what like 60 some years ago? Time to get over it and get rid of the poor me syndrome. In addition, to use something this tragic as political or public opinion tool is going to backfire on them at some point.

 

[y2kmark]

Israel exploiting the holocost?

YAWN - no real news out there to post?

 

[Mia.Colpa]

I think this is a stretch, but if it ever was proven true, Israel can close up shop if all Gentiles turn against them. I personally have no guilt, that event has passed, it is very regrettable and is to never happen again, we have to let go, but never forget, and move on, especially for the sake of our children and other future generations.

 

[Inferno]

at some point there has to be an expiry date for victim hood I like to think

Yes, and for Hamas, that date was three weeks ago.

 

[scouser1]

There have been so many tragic brutal events like Holocaust. Like the suffering (mass murder) of Armenians in the hands of Turks in the same century. The invasion of Ghengis khan of Mongol are two examples. But Israelis keep on bringing this subject up to justify their mass murder of civilian population.

how about the mass murder of Turks, Kurds and Azeris at the hands of Armenians hmmm?

 

[elmo]

how about the mass murder of Turks, Kurds and Azeris at the hands of Armenians hmmm?

All of these are tragic...do you have a point or would you like to list all of the tragic events since the dawn of man?

 

[The Houdini]

Oh brother...

You people are wacked. What does this all show you. WAR KILLS...WAR SUCKS....MAKE PEACE.

If we go far back in time every race and nationality has been butchered and massacred. We're also all brothers of humanity. None of us are better than each other. Why can't "man" get along peacefully.

I was hoping that on a board like Terb, "Pussy" would be a real distraction and a common denominator for all members. I guess I'm wrong. I'm so tired of this shit I'm reading.

 

[DATYdude]

I'd like you to find me ONE genuine instance of Jews using the holocaust to justify the murder or occupation or oppression of anyone. In writing please.

And I'd also like you to show me proof that Jews around the world (inside or outside of Israel) are protected so that it can never happen again (to Jews). Maybe we'd feel a bit better if everytime Israel attacks those people who have SWORN to annihilate it they didn't use the word holocaust to describe the actions of the Jews/Israeli government...

I really don't see anyone claiming that the Jews or Israel is perpetually the victim, although that mentality still exists among some in the older generation, but can you see where it came from? The vast majority of us recognize that although much of our families were exterminated, we are here, we are succeeding, we are controbuting to the world meaningfully (even apart from escort review boards), but FUCK YOU IF WE'RE GOING TO LET PEOPLE THREATEN US AGAIN.

 

[DATYdude]

Oh and by the way, although the Holocaust was a unique event in some ways, that doesn't make it more tragic than any other case where innocents die.

Jews care about the Holocaust because it happened to us, do you think it's wrong for Chinese and Koreans to care about what the Japanese did to them 60 years ago?

And 60 years is yesterday. Maybe not to a Canadian whose history is like 200 years long, but we remember and we make a point of remembering. And if you forget, fuck you if you don't like being reminded.

 

[scouser1]

FUCK YOU IF WE'RE GOING TO LET PEOPLE THREATEN US AGAIN.

hmm ok so enlighten me and tell me how that guy sitting in a refugee camp in Lebanon since 1948 with the keys to his house that sits empty in Israel, and he can never go back to because he is of the wrong religion, is a threat to Jews??? he wasnt there for the pogroms, he wasnt a member of the SS or Gestapo, as a Jew your issue and that whole "Fuck you"attitude should be directed at the Europeans who have been the cause of Jewish misery, not the Palestinians.

 

[elmo]

And 60 years is yesterday. Maybe not to a Canadian whose history is like 200 years long, but we remember and we make a point of remembering. And if you forget, fuck you if you don't like being reminded.

Are you not Canadian? Remember that most of us "Canadians" have roots in different countries. Personally I'm Irish and French, both of which have longer that 200 years of history and their share of conflict and tragedy so please don't have the attitude that Jews are the only people on this planet to have suffered at some point in their history, or that somehow their suffering is a unique case.

 

[DATYdude]

look, I got away with it, I used a bad word!

I'll address scouser because SA... not enough time in the day, except to say you're very quick to judge when I don't THINK you have any special information. You prove one point very well, that it's easy to be an asshole. But that's all, I don't mean to insult anyone here, all I'm saying is Jews are no longer going to walk quietly into the gas chambers, and that has little to do with Palestine. Nor do we desire to emulate our oppressors.

The people who threaten us now are Hamas, Hezbollah, and the government of Iran, and the various other intractable haters, many of whom openly espouse attacks on Jews everywhere. If you don't like Lenny and Sergei, how do you feel about the people calling for attacks on Jewish Community Centres, synagogues etc... Make sense?

 

[elmo]

The people who threaten us now are Hamas, Hezbollah, and the government of Iran, and the various other intractable haters, many of whom openly espouse attacks on Jews everywhere. If you don't like Lenny and Sergei, how do you feel about the people calling for attacks on Jewish Community Centres, synagogues etc... Make sense?

Personally I think its wrong...like bombing hospitals...

 

[DATYdude]

Are you not Canadian? Remember that most of us "Canadians" have roots in different countries. Personally I'm Irish and French, both of which have longer that 200 years of history and their share of conflict and tragedy so please don't have the attitude that Jews are the only people on this planet to have suffered at some point in their history, or that somehow their suffering is a unique case.

I'm Canadian 100%. Many Canadians do not feel rooted to their heritage. And to many, 60 years is a long time. If you have a sense of history you know that 60 years is a blip.

Jewish suffering isn't unique, again I don't remember anyone saying it, although you can't tell me that the particular case of the Holocaust is not unique. There's lot's of suffering to go around.

 

[DATYdude]

Personally I think its wrong...like bombing hospitals...

I agree, but I don't have perfect information, do you?

I honestly don't know whether the bombing of a hospital (a) it was a mistake or purposeful (b) if it was a mistake, who made the mistake (c) if it was purposeful, whether (i) there was a legitimate target (Hamas leaders are suspected of hiding out in the reinforced basement area of a hospital in Gaza refurbished by Israel in the 80s) or (ii) whether it was maliciously planned bombing of a hospital just to kill sick people, doctors, nurses, and hospital visitors.

However, when leaders of Hezbollah or Hamas openly call for their supporters to attack "Jewish targets" like the Toronto synagogue I might attend with my family, or the community centre in Buenos Aires (which was attacked) I just don't see how the evil intent of that can be uncertain.

 

[shack]

"The present Israeli government ruthlessly and cynically exploits the continuing guilt from Gentiles over the slaughter of Jews in the Holocaust as justification for their murder of Palestinians," he said.

Now I understand.

The exploitation of the guilt of the gentiles caused Hamas to send missiles into Israel day after day so that the Israelis were forced to invade Gaza and try to eliminate those missile attacks. And the exploitation of the guilt of the gentiles then caused Hamas to use civilians as human shields thereby incurring Palestinian deaths at the hands of Israel.

Damn those Israelis for using the Holocaust that way.Are they ever sneaky.

 

[elmo]

I agree, but I don't have perfect information, do you?

I honestly don't know whether the bombing of a hospital (a) it was a mistake or purposeful (b) if it was a mistake, who made the mistake (c) if it was purposeful, whether (i) there was a legitimate target (Hamas leaders are suspected of hiding out in the reinforced basement area of a hospital in Gaza refurbished by Israel in the 80s) or (ii) whether it was maliciously planned bombing of a hospital just to kill sick people, doctors, nurses, and hospital visitors.

However, when leaders of Hezbollah or Hamas openly call for their supporters to attack "Jewish targets" like the Toronto synagogue I might attend with my family, or the community centre in Buenos Aires (which was attacked) I just don't see how the evil intent of that can be uncertain.

I understand your point and no I don't have perfect information (are you saying TERB isn't a perfect source of information??). My point is that suffering is not unique to any people and no, I don't have an answer to the issue. It irks me that some people feel they have historically suffered more than others and wear it like a badge on their sleeves.