Israel exploiting Holocaust
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The boneheaded thing about this whole thread (well at least one of the boneheaded things) is that by saying "My grandmother didn't die at the hands of the Nazis so that Israel could bomb Gaza", the British MP is actually using the Holocaust to justify NOT bombing Gaza. Absurdity of the day.
The boneheaded thing about this whole thread (well at least one of the boneheaded things) is that by saying "My grandmother didn't die at the hands of the Nazis so that Israel could bomb Gaza", the British MP is actually using the Holocaust to justify NOT bombing Gaza. Absurdity of the day.
Yup. Exactly. So when is that expiry date? If it has passed for the Israelis it must be damned close for the Palestinians.Secret_Admirer said:
So much for the "Right of Return" then, scouser? Shall we now shut down UNRWA and cut off the $500/mil per year we pay to Palestinian "refugees"?
No kidding ..ha
you know... If i don't believe in anything, I sure believe in one thing!
and that is the law & concept of karma . . .
In short...what goes around...eventually comes around!
You see:
If we sow goodness, we will reap goodness; if we sow evil, we will reap evil
or
as the Christian philosopher Allan Kardec once interpreted this law
if one does good or spiritually valuable acts, one deserves and can expect good luck; conversely, if one does harmful things, one can expect bad luck or unfortunate happenings
This is what I fear the most the shame and then a heavy price to pay [yet to come!] of this conflict in an unforeseeable future!
you know... If i don't believe in anything, I sure believe in one thing!
and that is the law & concept of karma . . .
In short...what goes around...eventually comes around!
You see:
If we sow goodness, we will reap goodness; if we sow evil, we will reap evil
or
as the Christian philosopher Allan Kardec once interpreted this law
if one does good or spiritually valuable acts, one deserves and can expect good luck; conversely, if one does harmful things, one can expect bad luck or unfortunate happenings
This is what I fear the most the shame and then a heavy price to pay [yet to come!] of this conflict in an unforeseeable future!
There were 6 million Jews killed in the Holocaust. Not to mention the up to 250,000 that were killed in Russian pogroms of the late 1800's/early 1900's. Nothing has come close to that - Armenian genocide, Rwandan genocide, the Nanking massacre. To even mention Genghis Khan is not really relevant since that happened in the 13th century.Secret_Admirer said:
The total amount of Palestinians dead as a result of Jewish actions is an absolute drop in the bucket to any of those events mentioned above. To call it a deliberate mass murder of civilians is also unfounded. Its sad what is happening there but I believe that both sides are responsible for them.
Holoucost
This was a terrible example of mans inhumanity to man based on religion driven by one mans fanatical beliefs and who poisened an entire country with his hatred.
My father in law was involved in liberating one of the camps after the war.He was 19 years old and saw things he said are forever burned in his memory.
The Jewish people have a saying NEVER AGAIN!! Perhaps that is why they come across as stubborn and defiant. at times.
I dont condone what they or the Arabs are doing in Gaza as again innocents are dying.
This was a terrible example of mans inhumanity to man based on religion driven by one mans fanatical beliefs and who poisened an entire country with his hatred.
My father in law was involved in liberating one of the camps after the war.He was 19 years old and saw things he said are forever burned in his memory.
The Jewish people have a saying NEVER AGAIN!! Perhaps that is why they come across as stubborn and defiant. at times.
I dont condone what they or the Arabs are doing in Gaza as again innocents are dying.
How does 800,000 exceed 6 million, is that gryfin math?gryfin said:
I know you mean rate of killing but how is that more relevant than the absolute figures? Is that your anti-Semitic nature just trying to diminish what happened to the Jews
If you calm down and read my post rationally, I said that it exceeded the killing of jews in some important ways and I highlighted my points.K Douglas said:
There is nothing antisemitic about recognizing that the killing of 6 million jews is not the most terrible thing that has ever happened by every conceivable measure. In the case of the numbers and speed, Rwanda was tragically worse.
Evidently the rate of death as opposed to the total number dead is more important in determining the magnitude of the tragedy.gryfin said:
In that case if 10 people were killed in a 5 minute span, that would be worse than what happened in Rwanda, according to gryfin.
It is interesting that while on the Continent in the 19th and the first half of the 20th Centuries anti-Semitism was principally identified with the right and (particularly so in France with the Monarchist parties), in the later quarter of the 20th Century and thus far in the 21st Century anti-Semitism seems now to be the principally the domain of the left.Topol-M said:
Wow. Lots of ironic statements in this thread. Complaining about people bringing up an event from the 1940's where millions of people were executed because of their religion, race, ethnicity, or sexual orientation while complaining about another event in the 1940's where 750,000 people fled their homes.scouser1 said:
So who exactly are the perpetual whiners?
So what exactly does this have to do with this thread? Judging by your stated opinion, I would guess you are either:persis said:No kidding ..ha
you know... If i don't believe in anything, I sure believe in one thing!
and that is the law & concept of karma . . .
In short...what goes around...eventually comes around!
...
This is what I fear the most the shame and then a heavy price to pay [yet to come!] of this conflict in an unforeseeable future!
- implying that either the Holocaust was caused by bad karma in this current conflict
- implying that the Palestinians deserve their because one of their leaders in the 30's and 40's was complicit in Nazi actions
- your are talking out of your ass like always.
I'll let the readers decide.
I don't blame them... how much can a person or country take? Israel gets attacked by Hamas militants every so often, and all the world does is try and get the two countries to sign peace accords.
Would a country like US not take action if sucide bombers from a neighbouring country kept blowing up their people?
As much as I prefer there to be peace, and peaceful methods to solve this, I think the whole world has done little to actually bring about peace between these two countries, so I'm all in support for Israel to bomb the shit out of its neighbour and ding what most other nations would've done if something like this happened on their own soil.
Would a country like US not take action if sucide bombers from a neighbouring country kept blowing up their people?
As much as I prefer there to be peace, and peaceful methods to solve this, I think the whole world has done little to actually bring about peace between these two countries, so I'm all in support for Israel to bomb the shit out of its neighbour and ding what most other nations would've done if something like this happened on their own soil.
Are you seriously trying to compare the intentional cold blooded and systematic execution of civilians with people killed during battle and in bombings?Secret_Admirer said:
an absolute half truth if there was ever a half truth!! were Armenians killed by Turks, yes, did Turks do horrible things to Armenians in 1915 like forced deportations definitely but you have to look at it in the context of the larger scale that was World War 1.Secret_Admirer said:
And calling it a holocaust and genocide is absolute nonsense, lets take the Jews as an example in 1940's Europe, they never tried to overthrow the German government, the Armenians did. The Jews never invited a foreign power to invade Germany, the Armenians invited the Russians to attack and occupy large parts of eastern Turkey in the hopes of creating an Armenian state, the Jews never killed Germans in retaliation, the Armenians under the extreme nationalist Dashnaks killed hundreds of thousands of Turks also Kurds and Azeris but of course you will never get the Armenian diaspora to admit that.
If its was a one sided genocide why have only 20 nations recognized it as such? surely Turkey doesnt have that much power in the world. And most of those nations have either anti Turkish elements (Russia) or as pandering to Armenian communities within to get votes (France)
The current Turkish government under the AKP invited Armenia to create a joint study committee that would have been made up of Turkish, Armenian and international scholars to study the topic and come up with findings, of course they were completely ignored by the nationalist Armenians and the diaspora who are hoping that if they scream long enough, Turkey will admit to a crime that would be a huge lie about their history and existence.
