I was being sarcastic. Many give Trump gets no credit for anything. Even when he is trying to do something objectively good, people denigrate his motives.
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I think these heuristics account for a lot of fucked up beliefs. And that's my point. My point was not a discussion of murder rates.When someone presents a simple fact (the trend line for murder rates is higher than ten years ago) and notes that this can create perceptions for younger people, that's a fairly simple statement.
So no offense, but I think you are overselling cognitive heuristics in this specific case. Yes, recent data shows a dip in the murder rate, but it hasn't been long enough to declare a trend. It's also not lower than 2014. Five years from now it might bear out that people's perception of murders is exaggerated.
U.S. Murder Rate By Year | Trend Chart (2025)
Uncover the trends in the U.S. murder rate from 1985 to 2023 with our comprehensive analysis of year-on-year homicide statistics and their societal impact.www.consumershield.com
Conspiracy theories are called conspiracies because they are never right.
There you go pretending to know everything again. You may want to check on my political stance (check my posts in the political forum), I don't care for left or right, I talk shit about both sides pretty equally.
A cancer patient does not typically come through the emergency department. They will see their regular doctor or go to a walk in clinic with a problem that has recently presented. They will then be referred to any number of specialists for further investigation. From there a diagnosis is usually made. The emergency department will NEVER diagnose cancer.
The problem is when he realized that politically it was turning against him he backed down…Trump funded the vaccine because he wanted credit for saving a lot of lives. He's such an egotist.
Well i guess its still better without critical thinking then without thinking at all
I remember a time when conspiracy theories were popular with those on the left.
You repeated a well-worn political talking point about crime in the U.S. I am giving you a different perspective based on the statistical trend line.
You tried to dismiss the low murder rate in 2014. The only thing that is evident is that 2014 was the bottom of a V-shaped shift in the murder trend line. As I said, the murder rate could fall going forward but you can't presume future data.
If you want to discuss "cognitive heuristics", perhaps you should find a stronger example that isn't so grounded in political rhetoric.
I heard that privately he is disappointed he can't tout (rightly or wrongly) the development of the COVID vaccine. There are lot of fight-wing and libertarian voters in his camp.
This isn't unusual in politics. The Democrats have their third rails.
Yes, it drives him insane that he cannot brag about having played a positive role in bringing the MRNA COVID shots in. It was the one good thing he actually did during the pandemic and his base booed him when he tried. Trump isn't anti-vax and I'm surprised he hasn't yet reigned in RKF as he dismantles vaccines, thus endangering the US and the world. Some think it's he feels he owes RKF for his win.
The anti-vaccine base is probably a small group. Unfortunately, RFK only had a tiny fraction of supporters.
The one thing I know is that more agrarian states are less likely to have had any COVID vaccines. There is some common sense to the human logic here. These States due to less population density had less COVID contagion in 2020/21. The populations likely are also active, less obese and more exposed to the sun. Factors that seem to greatly reduce one's vulnerability to COVID.
Interestingly, the percentage of Canadians with one or more COVID vaccinations is very similar to the U.S. I"m guessing there is a urban/agrarian split in Canada as well.
PS- I expect that RFK will be gone by the end of next year whether he quits or Trump replaces him. One thing we know is that if a cabinet member gets to far out in front of their own agenda, Trump will replace them.
I think RFK has some long overdue initiatives on fighting chronic illness, obesity and unnatural food ingredients, but his hard views on vaccines are too much.
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RFK is helping Trump and the gop to make the US a moronic country.
RFK is a short-term political problem. Biden's Homeland Security head Mayorkis was an ideologue who let in about ten million migrants.
It will tax our resources for years to come. It will likely be an albatross around the Democrat's neck for a long time.
We can argue about the impact, but immigration has been a winning issue for the GOP.
I'm fairly certain that Trudeau and Carney have ideological ministers who couldn't win a national or provincial election based on their views.
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In 2014 people said the same thing about crime being out of control despite a 20+ year trend in the opposite direction.
What the data says about crime in the U.S.
Federal statistics show dramatic declines in U.S. violent and property crime rates since the early 1990s.
www.pewresearch.org
Here's a key passage if you or others don't want to read the entire thing:
"How do Americans perceive crime in their country?
Americans tend to believe crime is up, even when official data shows it is down.
In 23 of 27 Gallup surveys conducted since 1993, at least 60% of U.S. adults have said there is more crime nationally than there was the year before, despite the downward trend in crime rates during most of that period."
Thus, although blips and bloops it's not a bad example over the past 30 years, as it has been a persistent phenomenon for 30 years.
However, i do appreciate your recent correction to that trend. Consider me advised.
RFK doesn't have hard views on vaccines. He just wants them more thoroughly tested and doesn't believe children need so many in a short period of time. He also believes certain toxins like mercury should be removed from. RFK himself admits that he does take the flu vaccine every year and others that someone his age should be taking. So he's not exactly anti-vax.
I don't want to get into an argument about vaccines, mercury, etc.
I support mRNA research. Whatever RFK decides today will likely be reversed within the next three years.
He only wanted longer more rigorous testing on them. He never said to ban the mRNA technology.
