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Frankfooter

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Well sorry, you can predict bad numbers but the economy was not in recession in the first half of the year. Maybe you were trying to confuse me or maybe you didn't know that nonfarm payrolls did not decline through August.

I am assuming we will be in recession in Q4 but again that is a different discussion.
trump just announced he's using tariff money to bail out farmers suffering from tariffs.
Not a good sign for the economy

 

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How many large, far back-dated revisions did we have to have before liberals were going to admit something wasn't working?

We live in a politically divisive world where anyone Trump fires is going to be held up as a victim. This even when the reason for dismissal is laid out before your eyes.
True, but the solution trump offers is what Argentina is going through.
Why do you think it will work for the US?
 

WyattEarp

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Trump fired him because he though he was doing a shitty job, there's no evidence to suggest Trump fired him so he could fix the statistics with his new hire
If we want to be more diplomatic, we can clearly say the BLS' methods were not working.

You just have to follow through with the idea that a government agency might be resistant to change. In that case, you have to bring someone in from the outside who brings new ideas and a new way at looking at things. It's fairly basic organizational management.

If people just focus on Trump's words and style, they miss the big picture.
 

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How many large, far back-dated revisions did we have to have before liberals were going to admit something wasn't working?

We live in a politically divisive world where anyone Trump fires is going to be held up as a victim. This even when the reason for dismissal is laid out before your eyes.
As I said. It's information gathered from businesses reporting in. When they don't, delay, fudge things(Vegas is doing that now by laying off just under reportage thresholds and just not giving shifts) then numbers need to be adjusted to reflect reality.

The reality is it's awful.
 

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How do you know she wasnt fudging the numbers to make Trump look bad??
How many large, far back-dated revisions did we have to have before liberals were going to admit something wasn't working?

We live in a politically divisive world where anyone Trump fires is going to be held up as a victim. This even when the reason for dismissal is laid out before your eyes.
There we go with the pretzelling, nonsense and caca again to protect your cult leader. His reason is bullshit. It's because he didn't like what she said. Job numbers are shit, it's in the data yet you won't admit it.

I guess you and Phil will also back up your cult leader's real lawfare as he dictates who the DOJ must charge. Comey, and then, who's next???

I can't wait for when the Dems regain power and the payback starts. It's just too bad that natural causes may take out the head clown.
 
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WyattEarp

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There we go with the pretzelling, nonsense and caca again to protect your cult leader. His reason is bullshit. It's because he didn't like what she said. Job numbers are shit, it's in the data yet you won't admit it.

I guess you and Phil will also back up your cult leader's real lawfare as he dictates who the DOJ must charge. Comey, and then, who's next???

I can't wait for when the Dems regain power and the payback starts. It's just too bad that natural causes may take out the head clown.
squeeze, try to be respectful. You don't even realize when people are cutting you slack.

You were raving about job performance under Biden. Within days the BLS dropped the 911K downward job revision bomb for April 2024 to March 2025. I didn't want you to get all defensive. I let it go.

Some things just are. They don't require spin. They don't require debate. I thought two large revisions in two years would silence people on the BLS' capability.

Per CNBC:
Most of the time span for the report came before President Donald Trump took office, indicating the jobs picture was deteriorating before he began levying tariffs against U.S. trading partners.
 

Frankfooter

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squeeze, try to be respectful. You don't even realize when people are cutting you slack.

You were raving about job performance under Biden. Within days the BLS dropped the 911K downward job revision bomb for April 2024 to March 2025. I didn't want you to get all defensive. I let it go.

Some things just are. They don't require spin. They don't require debate. I thought two large revisions in two years would silence people on the BLS' capability.

Per CNBC:
Most of the time span for the report came before President Donald Trump took office, indicating the jobs picture was deteriorating before he began levying tariffs against U.S. trading partners.
You choose to believe trump.
34 time convicted felon
fraud artist
pedo

 

squeezer

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squeeze, try to be respectful. You don't even realize when people are cutting you slack.

You were raving about job performance under Biden. Within days the BLS dropped the 911K downward job revision bomb for April 2024 to March 2025. I didn't want you to get all defensive. I let it go.

Some things just are. They don't require spin. They don't require debate. I thought two large revisions in two years would silence people on the BLS' capability.

Per CNBC:
Most of the time span for the report came before President Donald Trump took office, indicating the jobs picture was deteriorating before he began levying tariffs against U.S. trading partners.

Yes revisions happen, but let’s not pretend this is some Biden-era anomaly. The BLS has been revising numbers under every administration because that’s literally how statistical sampling works. Remember the 2019 benchmark revision? Trump’s “greatest economy ever” quietly lost 500,000 jobs on paper overnight. Funny how nobody in MAGA land had a problem with the BLS then.

If you actually read the CNBC piece, the kicker is in their own words: “Most of the time span for the report came before Trump took office, indicating the jobs picture was deteriorating before he began levying tariffs.” Translation: the slowdown was already baked in, long before Biden even announced he was running.

So if revisions discredit Biden’s economy, they also blow a hole straight through Trump’s “booming” one. You don’t get to cherry-pick which revisions count.

Firing the BLS Commissioner after a bad jobs report and downward revisions. That’s not “protecting data integrity,” that’s shooting the ref because you don’t like the score. Then hiring a lackey to do your bidding, how authoritarian, at least the 🤡 in charge is doing something right.
 

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How do I want that?
Maybe not you specifically. The right so wants this to be some unhinged lefty. They have built an entire narrative around the shooting. They were so quick to point fingers. They are also doing the same thing with the Dallas ICE shooting, making it entirely about how "law enforcement" is under attack despite the fact that the ones who got shot were detainees.
 
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