Kaberle just got absolutely ruined....

[lookingforitallthetime]

The reason why hockey gets low ratings in the US is because everyone has this perception that all hockey is about is fighting. I have relatives who are diehard soccer fans and when the subject of hockey comes up their reaction is that all hockey players do is fight ! I was watching a european satellite station last week where hockey get absolutely no coverage on the news, but guess what...they showed the Ottawa/Buffalo brawl !! The only coverage the NHL gets in alot of these european soccer countries is when there is a brawl. Hockey is not even taken seriously as a sport in many countries !

It's idiots like you that give hockey a bad name, If you want to see fighting then watch UFC not hockey !!!

I don't give 2 shits what hockey's ratings are in the U.S. It's a Canadian game. Why are we continually trying to sell it to the Americans? If Americans want to park their fat asses on the couch and watch basketball or baseball, let them. I only ask that my game not be ruined in the process of making it acceptable to an audience that doesn't understand the game anyway.

It's idiots like you who give Canadians a bad name. If you want to see a nice friendly game without fighting, watch baseball not hockey.

 

[stang]

you mean , the coach told them not to retaliate because Janssen didn't take another shift.

Antropov was ready to stick his tongue out at him, and I heard that Steen was ready to give him the cold shoulder.

 

[new2game]

Hey Pro...

you haven't seen that i posted this first?



though, i only think it warrants a game to 3 games.

late? yes. elbow to the head? no contact. leaving the feet before hitting? Leaving his feet? LEAVING HIS FEET? WHERE? IN HIS SKATES? my guess is you meant his feet left the ice? but, absolutely not until clearly after the hit occurred.

you are laughable at best sometimes. but, so am i.

I wrote that stuff really late...after a night out...sorry I didn't read the stuff above my post clearly ...her's you're "atta boy Pro".....feel better now???

...my comments BTW..were not directed at you...but at NHL.com...but if you felt better being the centre of it...good for you...



and here is a gentle Fuck You to all you beer leaguers and industrial league guys that think that no one knows the game better than you, cause you played the game ...hey I've never put my hand on a stove burner when it's glowing red hot....but I know what it does...you don't need to play the game at some higher organized level to have an great opinion....

N2G

 

[carguy34]

Agreed.

Tucker should be the Captain. Trade Sundin for a stick and a roll of tape.

Yeah !! and lets see if we can get Tie Dumi to come out of retirement and then lets see if we can sign Donald Brashear. We won't score any goals but we'll have the most fights per game and that's what hockey is all about to you !!

 

[Von Wigglestaff]

It was inevitable.

Someone was going to take a run at Kaberle, the man is totally unable to anticipate the actions of opposing players. He needs to learn from Chris Chelios; whenever an opposing player took a run at the surly Greek, he usually had to collect his teeth after the attempt.

 

[Keebler Elf]

It's pretty sad when Tucker has to come out of the stands to stand up for Kaberle.

Or maybe the Leafs just don't have a goon of their own to fight back.

But ya know what, who cares. It's almost golf season for the Leafs and they don't deserve to be in the playoffs. Maybe a better draft choice will help them rebuild. Or not...

 

[lookingforitallthetime]

Yeah !! and lets see if we can get Tie Dumi to come out of retirement and then lets see if we can sign Donald Brashear. We won't score any goals but we'll have the most fights per game and that's what hockey is all about to you !!

How many goals did Sundin get last night?

I'm not saying Sundin lacks skill, I just don't believe he is NHL captain material. Look at the Leafs playoff record since his captaincy. The proof is in the pudding.

Very few European hockey players understand what it takes to win the Stanley Cup. Any Canadian hockey player will tell you the ultimate goal is to win the Cup. Europeans would rather win an Olympic Gold Medal. Have you never noticed how much better Sundin plays for Sweden than he does for the Leafs?

Hockey is not all about fights to me. It is however an intregal part of the game. If you can't accept that, I suggest you watch figure skating or the Brier coverage this afternoon.

 

[lookingforitallthetime]

Holly shit and I thought we were having an intelligent conversation ..

Obviously, you havn't been proof reading your own posts.

 

[Mr.420]

would it been so bad it Kaberle saw him the last split second and threw up his stick in Jansens face?

I would of love to see that.

I pulled that move in ball hockey. Im 5'5 weighing 140 pnds with 2 bricks in both pockets, but Im quick on my feet. I scored a pretty goal and made one of there players look silly. So they guy started checking me pretty good, and told me to keep my head up. So I did. Doesnt the idiot try to check me from behind after I made a pass along the boards. I knew he was coming and timed it good, BOOM mouthful of stick in his face, he goes down, holding his face, and his mouth piece goes flying. I got kicked out of the game for as the referee said "for my own safety" intent to injure. I tried to plead my case, but to no avail. After the game, the ref told me that "if I cant take the occasional check that I shouldnt be playing ball hockey" I fired right back and told him that if you guys would open your eyes and see a guy who is close to 6ft trying check a guy 5'5 continuosly, thats a refereeing issue. The throwing my stick was in the guys face was self defense. The ref knew it but he was a fat slob who needed a beer.

Kaberele if he had the extra 2 seconds should of done the same.

 

[new2game]

I don't think he had those 2 secs

would it been so bad it Kaberle saw him the last split second and threw up his stick in Jansens face?

I would of love to see that.

I pulled that move in ball hockey. Im 5'5 weighing 140 pnds with 2 bricks in both pockets, but Im quick on my feet. I scored a pretty goal and made one of there players look silly. So they guy started checking me pretty good, and told me to keep my head up. So I did. Doesnt the idiot try to check me from behind after I made a pass along the boards. I knew he was coming and timed it good, BOOM mouthful of stick in his face, he goes down, holding his face, and his mouth piece goes flying. I got kicked out of the game for as the referee said "for my own safety" intent to injure. I tried to plead my case, but to no avail. After the game, the ref told me that "if I cant take the occasional check that I shouldnt be playing ball hockey" I fired right back and told him that if you guys would open your eyes and see a guy who is close to 6ft trying check a guy 5'5 continuosly, thats a refereeing issue. The throwing my stick was in the guys face was self defense. The ref knew it but he was a fat slob who needed a beer.

Kaberele if he had the extra 2 seconds should of done the same.

....but I'm sure in hindsight , if he had , he would have done that..only a total coward hits a guy with his back turned...in any situation, hockey, street fight , whatever...

 

[21pro]

unless his back turned in less time than before you can remaneuver. unfortunately hockey is played at such a fast pace, this is often the case. yeah, sure you get penalized, but you can't always avoid a collision.

 

[new2game]

If you're referring to Karberle

unless his back turned in less time than before you can remaneuver. unfortunately hockey is played at such a fast pace, this is often the case. yeah, sure you get penalized, but you can't always avoid a collision.

..he was skating backwards..and his back turned to Janssen the complete time...the goon had more than enough time to hold up..3 games is a joke. I still stand by 10-15 games..hopefully someone on the Leafs will run Brodeur or Colin White...should be a treat the next time around..Bet Maurice regrets not dressing Belak ....

N2G

 

[the rusty tromb]

Have you never noticed how much better Sundin plays for Sweden than he does for the Leafs?

Have you ever noticed how much better Sundin's supporting cast is when he's playing for Sweden?

Naturally he'll play better in international competition because he's surrounded by much better players, and the games in genereal are played at a much higher level.

If the Leafs actually had some top level forwards that Sundin can play with than your statement would hold more water, but unfortunately they don't.

 

[lookingforitallthetime]

Naturally he'll play better in international competition because he's surrounded by much better players, and the games in genereal are played at a much higher level.

You believe international competitions are played at a higher level than NHL hockey? Factor in NHL playoff hockey and it's not even close. Great players play well regardless of the talent around them.

If the Leafs actually had some top level forwards that Sundin can play with than your statement would hold more water, but unfortunately they don't.

I'm growing tired of that excuse. Clark managed to make an impact at times when the talent around him was much less than Sundin has. I don't question Sundin's talent, just his heart. He is not a good captain and the leafs playoff record since he became captain, speaks for itself.

Maybe you're right and I'm being too hard on Sundin. I just don't recall there being a parade down Yonge St. when the Leafs were runner up in the Eastern Final. This is after all the furthest the Leafs have gone under Sundin's captaincy.

 

[the rusty tromb]

You believe international competitions are played at a higher level than NHL hockey? Factor in NHL playoff hockey and it's not even close. Great players play well regardless of the talent around them.

NHL playoffs higher quality hockey than the Olympics? Uhhh, no.

Great players play better when they're surrounded by fellow great players. See my point?

Maybe you're right and I'm being too hard on Sundin. I just don't recall there being a parade down Yonge St. when the Leafs were runner up in the Eastern Final. This is after all the furthest the Leafs have gone under Sundin's captaincy.

No one player is responsible for bringing a team a Stanley Cup. Put a prime Mark Messier on the Leafs, and you'd still have no championship.

The Leafs are a totally inept franchise who has failed to win a cup because it doesn't know how to build through the draft, have made numerous horrible deadline deals, and year after year refuse to rebuild.

With one of the worst groups of prospects in the league, a GM who really has no clue what he's doing, and sellout after sellout, I hope you're not expecting anything to change real soon.

This is why the Leafs can't win a Stanley Cup. Not because Sundin isn't a good enough "leader".

 

[lookingforitallthetime]

The funny thing is I may agree with you a bit ... Sundin is a damm good hockey player but his salary has always been in the Top 5 and his stats
have never been ... He is good but I do laugh when people predict he will
be in the Hall of Fame one day ... Unfortately look what happened to
Clark ... Clark paid the price for playing like Clark .. Sundin will play till his late 30's ..

This is the year I feel sorry for Sundin though ... JFJ got him no help in the Summer and just look at this Saturday ... One of his line mates was Bates Battaglia ...

I believe desire has more to do with winning hockey games than talent. It seems every playoff season a team that shouldn't go past the first round, goes further because of the desire to win. This desire cannot be coached. It comes from within the heart of the leader on the ice. The Oilers were a prime example of this last year. The captain sets the tone and both young and older players look to the captain to provide this leadership.

On Friday night after Kaberle's hit, there was no such leadership.

I recall a story during the New York Ranger's last Stanley Cup win. One of the younger players (I can't remember which one) said if you left anything on the ice during a shift, you were met on the bench with the steely glare of Messier.

Know that's leadership and that wins Stanley Cups.

 

[lookingforitallthetime]

NHL playoffs higher quality hockey than the Olympics? Uhhh, no.

I disagree. The stakes may be considered higher but the quality of hockey is not as high IMO.

No one player is responsible for bringing a team a Stanley Cup. Put a prime Mark Messier on the Leafs, and you'd still have no championship.

I disagree again. As I stated earlier, I believe Mark Messier's leadership is the reason the Rangers won the Cup in 94.

 

[the rusty tromb]

I disagree. The stakes may be considered higher but the quality of hockey is not as high IMO.

Hehehehehehehehe thanks for the laugh.

The best players in the world on the six best hockey playing nations in the world is worse than all the 3rd and forth line muckers and grinders that wouldn't have been in the league 10 years ago?

In other words, you're telling me that Edmonton vs Carolina is played at a higher level than Russia vs Canada.

WOW.

I disagree again. As I stated earlier, I believe Mark Messier's leadership is the reason the Rangers won the Cup while he was captain.

Yeah, you're right.

It had nothing to do with his supporting cast. I mean, Leetch, Zubov, Anderson, Graves, Zubov, Richter, etc, are nothing but role players. Messier certainly had no help.

Why couldn't Messier lead the Canucks to a Cup if he was such a great leader? Exactly. He didn't have the supporting cast that he did on the '94 Rangers squad.

 

[lookingforitallthetime]

Hehehehehehehehe thanks for the laugh.

The best players in the world on the six best hockey playing nations in the world is worse than all the 3rd and forth line muckers and grinders that wouldn't have been in the league 10 years ago?

WOW.

You're entitled to your opinion as I am mine.

If it wasn't for the stakes involved in international hockey, I wouldn't watch it. Watching the best players in Finland figure skate around the best players in Sweden isn't my idea of high quality hockey.

Yeah, you're right.

It had nothing to do with his supprting cast. I mean, Leetch, Zubov, Anderson, Graves, Zubov, Richter, etc, are nothing but role players. Messier certainly had no help.

Did I say Messier had no help? I have no issue with your weak attempt at sarcasm but, if you're going to resort to putting words in my mouth, this is another thing.

Talent alone doesn't win hockey games. Without desire and heart, a team of the most talented players will never win the Cup. A great example of this is Ottawa. They had lots of talent and won the President's Cup a couple of years ago but, alas, they couldn't get past the first round of playoffs. Even the lowly, untalented leafs beat them.

 

[the rusty tromb]

You're entitled to your opinion as I am mine.

If it wasn't for the stakes involved in international hockey, I wouldn't watch it. Watching the best players in Finland figure skate around the best players in Sweden isn't my idea of high quality hockey.

Lovely Canadian stereotype.

Yes, Sundin, Naslund, Koivu, Selanne, Zetterberg, Lidstrom, Forsberg, etc, are nothing but good skaters. They're certainly not some of the best hockey players in the world.

This is not a matter of opinion. The Olympics features the best players in the NHL, thus it's played at a higher quality than the NHL playoffs which features it's worst players as well.

Is any of this getting through to you?

Did I say Messier had no help? I have no issue with your weak attempt at sarcasm but, if you're going to resort to putting words in my mouth, this is another thing.

We'll, my previous point implied that it takes a team effort to win the cup,and then you went on to say that the Rangers won the cup because of Messier's leadership. WRONG! The Rangers won the cup because they had an incredibly talented and experienced roster.