Kanye West, No Sell Out!

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Jamie Foxx and a few others could learn something from Kanye West.

I dont care how anyone criticizes this guy, I think he's right on the money. Muhammad Ali used to get an awful lot of criticism for having very similar views on racism, the media and government in the US. Props to Kanye West for having the balls to call things as they are. Anyone who cant see the racism here is living with their head buried very deeply in the sand.

Lest we forget the hundreds of years of oppresion that black people in the southern US has faced at the hands of their own governement.

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dude

sober up
 

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hes a bitch

he walked out on an interview on flow 935 in toronto a couple of weeks back, the station told his manager as of that minute nothing of his gets played, his manager realized what he had done (flow is really the only urban radio in toronto) and the bitch came back saying how sorry he was about the misunderstanding.

did you see him last night "i am going to get my business manager to tell me how much is the maximum I can donate, I was shopping before i thought about these people"

hes is illeterate and a bitch
 

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Scorpion King said:
Lest we forget the hundreds of years of oppresion that black people in the southern US has faced at the hands of their own governement.
To quote a news clip...they are getting back at America for hundreds of years of opression.

What does stealing tv's have anything to do with try to stay alive? They have no where to plug them in. If it was water or food, then police said they would let it go.

Maybe a little off topic, but:
Get over it...what about the hundreds of thousands of blacks that have gone out to get a job and made their own strides in life. Some just sit back and expect things to be given to them. Prove yourself, and all will fall into place. Don't use the excuse now-a-days, for something that was rampant hundreds of years ago...it's not like it used to be.
In fact, in Canada it's probably the white person these days who is the minority. Do you hear us complaining? Try coming to Malton, and see if the white person doesn't stand out in the crowd. But I don't feel discriminated against...JUST TRY AND FIT IN!
 

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Why, because he has an opinion?

Many people think race is an issue to the response of the current administration. I'm not convinced, but I also find it very disturbing that the media is labeling them as refugees. I just think it be the same if the majority were Caucasian. Aren't they Americans? :confused:

I have a theory about why they are being labelled refugees. I predict that Bush has no plans on relocating these people back to N'awlins after the clean up. Although the clean up will take many months, I believe they are being labelled refugees, because they will be perminately displaced from New Orleans.
 

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The Bandit said:

To quote a news clip...they are getting back at America for hundreds of years of opression.

Its funny how the news focus's on all the looting, the shootings, the rapes . . . geez, if I didn't know any better, I would think its all just a smoke screen to avoid the real issues present.

Why did it get this far?
 

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I hear refugee and think immigration but in fact, refugee is defined as "one who flees in search of refuge, as in times of war, political oppression, religious prosecution or disaster."
 

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Getting back to the point...

It's very refreshing to see someone with the star status of Kanye West who has the balls to speak out for those who are voiceless...

Walking out on an interview with 93.5 is hardly as important as the stance he took when he blasted Bush and the media.

At least he doesnt sell out when it REALLY counts.
 

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I think its great when celebrities have something to say. But......

1) its just an opinion. In a time of crisis I don't really turn to entertainers for clarification. (e.g. seeing Lance Bass of backstreet boys on CNN talking about the flooding in N.O.)

2)one has to wonder if this just isn't an attempt to get press or publicity for his newest album. (e.g. Bono's causes and U2 record sales)

3)hopefully what he had to say get's people thinking but they look to other sources to get the full story.

Threw in a few more examples, so that it doesn't seem like I'm just getting on KW's case.
 

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frankcastle said:
I think its great when celebrities have something to say. But......

1) its just an opinion. In a time of crisis I don't really turn to entertainers for clarification. (e.g. seeing Lance Bass of backstreet boys on CNN talking about the flooding in N.O.)

2)one has to wonder if this just isn't an attempt to get press or publicity for his newest album. (e.g. Bono's causes and U2 record sales)

3)hopefully what he had to say get's people thinking but they look to other sources to get the full story.

Threw in a few more examples, so that it doesn't seem like I'm just getting on KW's case.
I dont think he had an alterior motive. He'd have to be a very good actor. That was too passionate and real for it to be faked.
 

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kooley said:
hes a bitch

he walked out on an interview on flow 935 in toronto a couple of weeks back, the station told his manager as of that minute nothing of his gets played, his manager realized what he had done (flow is really the only urban radio in toronto) and the bitch came back saying how sorry he was about the misunderstanding.

did you see him last night "i am going to get my business manager to tell me how much is the maximum I can donate, I was shopping before i thought about these people"

hes is illeterate and a bitch
how does an illiterate man get into university without getting a scholarship? and I also find it funny that you are labelling him as such when you cant even spell ILLITERATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You ever heard of a word called leterate before????????
 

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can you please point out where Kanye tore into white people and blamed them for anything. I must have missed it.

Thanks in advance

PS: People who wont donate money to save innocent people's lives just because Kanye made an emotional rant are about as human as a peanut and are better off keeping their money. How immature would THAT be? What kind of 6th grade rationale is that??????? Just because Billy is a klansman I shouldnt save the life of his 2 year old child if I am able to?
 

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I have to agree with MPANewbie - Although most of what KW said may have been true, there is a time and a place - Although I wouldn't have, I can see a lot of 'White America" doing just that, closing their checkbooks based on what KW said - this whole thing is/was/should be all about those poor people (white, black, etc) caught directly in the path of the hurricane, not about some political statement, no matter how 'right' it may be
 

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The Bandit said:

Don't use the excuse now-a-days, for something that was rampant hundreds of years ago...it's not like it used to be.
In fact, in Canada it's probably the white person these days who is the minority. Do you hear us complaining? Try coming to Malton, and see if the white person doesn't stand out in the crowd. But I don't feel discriminated against...JUST TRY AND FIT IN!
There are actually studies done that show the lasting effects of oppression. Take for example the Canadian Aboriginals. When they were taxied off into the reservations the troubles began. In the earlier days, the schools run by white anglosaxon authorities, dictated that no other form of religion except Christianity would be accepted in the schools. The children were constantly told that their ancestors were wrong and that they had to conform to this new spiritual idealism. This form of segregation and spiritual uprooting caused massive identity crisis. This led to alcohol abuse. It further displaced their kind and culture to the point where leaving the reservations was like going to another country without hope. How could they leave when they were clearly not be accepted by society. The lasting effects are still seen to this day. Many aboriginals battle alcoholism and obesity. Because of that they are also one of the highest numbers of diabetics. Check the stats on diabetics, I'm sure the reservations will come up as one of the highest numbers in population. When a culture or race has been oppressed for so long, the effects will last just as long or longer. The learnings of racists are passed down from generation to generation. So is the desperate and bleak outlook of the oppressed. When their is so much history involved, it's absolutely necessary that ALL of us acknowledge racism does exist before we can move on to a non-racist future. To say that racism doesn't exist here or that it's minimal is just feeding the fire of racism. Racism feeds on ignorance, arrogance and indifference.
About your statment of your individual scenerio in Malton. Actually, you're complaining right now. It's obvious you have a disdain for being a minority. I'm not bashing you, but when you make statements as such, it proves you are, albeit with an inner voice, upset about being a minority "white" person in a mostly multicultural region. I can understand your unease with the subject.

As a side note, I suggest people rent the movie "Crash" when it comes out on dvd or vhs. It's a great movie about blatant and not so blatant racism. It opens your eyes. It certainly opened mine.
 

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David Beckham 23 said:
Why, because he has an opinion?

Many people think race is an issue to the response of the current administration. I'm not convinced, but I also find it very disturbing that the media is labeling them as refugees. I just think it be the same if the majority were Caucasian. Aren't they Americans? :confused:
Well the media has to label these "americans" as something, because they aren't your regular day to day American now...so they label them by their status, and you're right, it is the wrong choice of word, evacuees would have been better and should be used...but the media does like to make things more dramatic and it's working...it's getting us to talk about it.
 

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kooley said:
hes a bitch

he walked out on an interview on flow 935 in toronto a couple of weeks back, the station told his manager as of that minute nothing of his gets played, his manager realized what he had done (flow is really the only urban radio in toronto) and the bitch came back saying how sorry he was about the misunderstanding.

did you see him last night "i am going to get my business manager to tell me how much is the maximum I can donate, I was shopping before i thought about these people"

hes is illeterate and a bitch
lol i was hoping someone was gonna say something about that interview.
People should listen to him and his rants, he's such a calm, cool, level-headed artist.*cough*
 

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MPANewbie said:
However...

1)...just because something is true doesn't necessarily mean it needs to be spoken aloud.

2)...just because something needs to be said doesn't mean NOW is the time to say it.

Kayne gave a classic example of the difference between intelligence and wisdom, between passionate exuberance and driven focus.

I believe much of what he said was true.

I share the pain and anger he was expressing.

However, rather than proving what a sell out he wasn't, what he SHOULD have been doing was saying whatever it was that he (and others who make a living figuring these things out, hence the reason for prepared scripts) thought needed topbe said in order to get more people to write larger checks.

THAT would be the thing that would help - short term - the people he (and I) are heartbroken about.

His political / social discourse at best might change the minds a few people who might make minor steps in doing what they can to influence our political construct and society in general in hopes of changing the future of how race and class divides us, and how a few can show such utter disregard for so many.

That doesn't do shit for those people in New Orleans right now.

What that motherfucker should had done was swallowed his goddamn pride and asked people for their money. As his mouth opened and closed you could hear the checkbooks of the middle america blue collar whites closing - people who might have been thinking prior to his rant "you know, those are hard working regular plain everyday people just trying to get by, just like me. And they caught a fucking bad break. Fuck, I got $20 I can send...I can drink generic beer for a couple months". Instead, many of them were left thinking, "there is another Black man blaming their plight on the government and white people".

Are they right to think this. No. But they are limited by their ignorance and circumstances. They cannot be blamed for that.

Was Kayne correct in what he was saying? For the most part, yes.

BUT IT WASN'T ABOUT THAT. There would be a time and place - later - for political discourse.

In the end, what he did was selfish and self-indulgent. It reflected the actions of a man who was thinking of what he wanted to do, but not thinking of what the consequences would be.

And in the end, given that rather than being heard he was instead dismissed because the inappropriateness of his remarks canceled any relevance they might have to anyone who needed to hear them (I certainly didn't need to hear them...he wasn't telling ME anything I didn't know), what he did was of no value at all.

Stupid. Really, really stupid.
I think the bigger point is the fact that the Government has been clearly negligent from before the storm even landed. I'd say that most of the black people that were trapped there because they simply didnt have the means to escape or anywhere to run to. Bush and the rest of his fools could very well have had the Navy, Marines, Army and National Guard ready to go immediately.

Even if you say 'how could they have known', it begs the question of 'why the feet dragging'.

Kanye hit the nail right on the head. The US has all the money, resources, technology and manpower to have prevented things from escalating the way that they have. They had all of this at their disposal and CHOSE not to do the right thing. Reminiscent of when Clinton sentenced those poor souls in Rwanda to their death by NOT acting BEFORE further atrocities took place. Seems to me that the office of the POTUS has once again followed in the footsteps of its' racist founding fathers and sent a few thousand more black people to their deaths by their INACTION. When exactly would an appropriate time be for his rant?? When nobody was listening? When Bush wasnt listening. I guran-damn-tee that he heard these comments and that they will resonate within his empty chasm that he calls a soul....

Going back to my original example, they always said that Muhammad Ali was a loud mouth and uncouth for all of his ranting....

I'd say Kanye West is in good company.
 

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What's more brave...seeing only evil or trying to see good AND trying to do something about it.

You don't think there are those who are trying to play the race-card for their own selfish reasons (ratings, money or agenda)??? C'mon Mr. West, lets hear the other side of the coin...now that would take courage!!!


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MPANewbie said:
...right after you show me where I said that he had.

Regarding people keeping their money - I don't think those folks in New Orleans in need give a rats ass WHO donates, so long as they do. Be it immature or not, I GUARANTEE you there are people who blame the plight on those victims of the storm ON the victims of the storm. Beyond that, they assign the reason for their circumstances to their race, and the associated stereotypes. Some of those very people have even been posting here on TERB.
I dont remember saying that YOU said he had. PLease point out where I said that. Thanks again...in advance!
 
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