Kanye West, No Sell Out!

[franky66]

lol i was hoping someone was gonna say something about that interview.
People should listen to him and his rants, he's such a calm, cool, level-headed artist.*cough*

Please point out some more rants of his so that we can analyse. Liks please. Thanks in advance

 

[Scorpion King]

To quote a news clip...they are getting back at America for hundreds of years of opression.

What does stealing tv's have anything to do with try to stay alive? They have no where to plug them in. If it was water or food, then police said they would let it go.

Maybe a little off topic, but:
Get over it...what about the hundreds of thousands of blacks that have gone out to get a job and made their own strides in life. Some just sit back and expect things to be given to them. Prove yourself, and all will fall into place. Don't use the excuse now-a-days, for something that was rampant hundreds of years ago...it's not like it used to be.
In fact, in Canada it's probably the white person these days who is the minority. Do you hear us complaining? Try coming to Malton, and see if the white person doesn't stand out in the crowd. But I don't feel discriminated against...JUST TRY AND FIT IN!

Trying the old 'switcheroo', are you Mr. Bandito???

The old 'make the victim look like the criminal and the criminal look like the victim'?????

And yes... you ARE complaining. The very manner in which you brought up the subject reeks of whining and complaining. I just find it incredulous when a white person, the benefactor of the enslavement of blacks and genocide of Natives tells blacks to 'just get over it'.

My friend, the shackles and chains, plantation life, separate lunch counters and all that crap may have passed but the economic and social oppression faced by black people, even here in Canada, is very much alive and rampant my friend.

As you can see, I dont think black people are going to 'just get over it'. You need to go back to the drawing board and rethink that theory.

Place remove your head out of the sand, watch all those Black people cleaning out all those stores and be thankful that YOU dont find youself living a day in their shoes - feeling so desperate to be doing the exact same thing yourself...

 

[Scorpion King]

When his words would HELP, rather than HURT.

There will be some level of accounting for the actions of the United States Government in all of this. Whether it will make a difference remains to be seen, but if you believe it will make a difference (I don't, personally, but we can hope), then you have to believe if you are a rational person that Kayne words would be more effective during that accounting period when there will be people (not necessarily who are members of the current administration) listening.

You think Bush was listening? Perhaps, though I doubt it. But you guarantee that those words are resonating in his soul? Not a chance.

Those words were dismissed immediately as the rant they were, because they were delivered inarticulately and without focus from a person without creditability. Kayne is not from New Orleans, nor does he live there. He grew up solidly middle class - his mother is the head administrator for the English department at a large Midwest University. He didn't even have the creditability that would come from be able to say, "this is how much I've donated" and then call for his fellow celebrities and hip hop peers to match his pledge. He had an opportunity to demonstrate that he, as a Black man, was prepared to do ___________ to help what would appear to be a predominately Black group of people, and thus diffuse any silly arguments that surely arose all across America regarding "where are all those rich Black guys like P. Diddy and Michael Jordan and what are they doing".

His words, while passionate, were not persuasive. As I said before, the only person who "heard" him were the people who already knew what he was saying to be truth (to some degree). He was preaching to the choir.

Ali said much, but always with measured intelligence. He spoke his mind, but never poured gasoline on a fire already burning. And most critically, Ali had a sense of timing.

Ali would have NEVER pulled that stunt Kayne pulled last night. Ali was FAR smarter than that.

Kayne did hit the nail on the head. He did. But guess what? He swung the hammer at the wrong time, and in doing so, not only will HE not get another opportunity, he also damaged the creditability of anyone who attempts to follow him with the same message.

It was a foolish, foolish thing to do.

Like the Scorpion King, he is the People's Champ. The voice of the people. Not the voice for those who live in comfort sipping Pepsi and eating popcorn while they watch all of this unfold on CNN. I'm talking about the sufferers. And I bet those sufferers would be mobbing him with praise for saying what he did. While they sit there and wait for their Government to get their ass in gear. I'm talking about those black people who are still up to their necks in water as we speak.

Yeah... those people.

As for Ali, all the things you said are true - in retrospect. The people in his day and time sure as hell werent 'warm and fuzzy' about most things he said and did. The reaction then was very much the same as the reaction Kanye West is getting right now.

 

[Cobster]

Please point out some more rants of his so that we can analyse. Liks please. Thanks in advance

http://www.djsource.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?p=471794#post471794
link at the top enjoy.
love how Kanye rants like an idiot...a lot like he did at FLOW 93.5 a black run station. Chris Rock's face was priceless, he had no idea how to react to that.
For Kanye to say "to shoot us" is drawing a definite line between black & white people and NOT helping anyone. What a tool.

ps - analyze* has no "s".

 

[ruck]

If these people all of sudden don't want to help because of the words of one insignificant man, then they are the true monsters. People should be able to overlook the inadequate words of an individual for the greater good.

 

[Cobster]

I dont think he had an alterior motive. He'd have to be a very good actor. That was too passionate and real for it to be faked.

it was real...but real stupid.
i agree with his hatred for bush...but the reasoning is off.
i somehow doubt bush hates black people in general...i think if that was the case, he wouldn't have taken on Rice and Powell onto his cabinet in his first term and into his second.

 

[Cobster]

However...

1)...just because something is true doesn't necessarily mean it needs to be spoken aloud.

2)...just because something needs to be said doesn't mean NOW is the time to say it.

Kayne gave a classic example of the difference between intelligence and wisdom, between passionate exuberance and driven focus.

I believe much of what he said was true.

I share the pain and anger he was expressing.

However, rather than proving what a sell out he wasn't, what he SHOULD have been doing was saying whatever it was that he (and others who make a living figuring these things out, hence the reason for prepared scripts) thought needed topbe said in order to get more people to write larger checks.

THAT would be the thing that would help - short term - the people he (and I) are heartbroken about.

His political / social discourse at best might change the minds a few people who might make minor steps in doing what they can to influence our political construct and society in general in hopes of changing the future of how race and class divides us, and how a few can show such utter disregard for so many.

That doesn't do shit for those people in New Orleans right now.

What that motherfucker should had done was swallowed his goddamn pride and asked people for their money. As his mouth opened and closed you could hear the checkbooks of the middle america blue collar whites closing - people who might have been thinking prior to his rant "you know, those are hard working regular plain everyday people just trying to get by, just like me. And they caught a fucking bad break. Fuck, I got $20 I can send...I can drink generic beer for a couple months". Instead, many of them were left thinking, "there is another Black man blaming their plight on the government and white people".

Are they right to think this. No. But they are limited by their ignorance and circumstances. They cannot be blamed for that.

Was Kayne correct in what he was saying? For the most part, yes.

BUT IT WASN'T ABOUT THAT. There would be a time and place - later - for political discourse.

In the end, what he did was selfish and self-indulgent. It reflected the actions of a man who was thinking of what he wanted to do, but not thinking of what the consequences would be.

And in the end, given that rather than being heard he was instead dismissed because the inappropriateness of his remarks canceled any relevance they might have to anyone who needed to hear them (I certainly didn't need to hear them...he wasn't telling ME anything I didn't know), what he did was of no value at all.

Stupid. Really, really stupid.

BANG ON THE MONEY, just read this now.
Well said.

 

[galt]

Okay, call me ignorant but who the hell is Kayne West? I admit that I'm not really up on hip hop culture but I have heard of a lot of the more "mainstream" hip hop artists like Eminem, Snoop Dogg, 50 cent, Ying Yang Twins etc but I've never even heard of this guy until this week.

It seems to me that this guy is a B-lister who is taking the moment to try to make a name for himself. Maybe he is a sell out after all



But hey...that's just me

 

[galt]

Ok...now I know...not so sure he's that well respected now though. Sort of made an ass out of himself

 

[the rusty tromb]

...he had the biggest selling Hip Hop album last year. He's been on the cover of Time magazine. And he might be the most respected artist in Hip Hop - respected by both those on the inside and outside.

He is not a "B-Lister"

He's also a marketing genius.

Late Registration was gonna sell a lot of units just because he's that good, but now with the Bush comments Late Registration is going to blow up.

Don't think Kanye wasn't thinking about this when he said what he did.

 

[galt]

He's also a marketing genius.

Late Registration was gonna sell a lot of units just because he's that good, but now with the Bush comments Late Registration is going to blow up.

Don't think Kanye wasn't thinking about this when he said what he did.

Bingo

 

[Cobster]

...that was Chris TUCKER.

FYI...just thought you should know...

ya, i knew it was Tucker, for some reason i let that one slip...lol
and thanks Ill somehow try to find a way to forgive myself as i hope Tucker does as well.

 

[Cobster]

...he had the biggest selling Hip Hop album last year. He's been on the cover of Time magazine. And he might be the most respected artist in Hip Hop - respected by both those on the inside and outside.

He is not a "B-Lister"

my car alarm made the cover of Time magazine a year ago...
he's respected? for what reason(s)?
as galt said, he made an ass out of himself...FYi
he just dissed the president YO...no respect there, or class.

 

[David Beckham 23]

my car alarm made the cover of Time magazine a year ago...
he's respected? for what reason(s)?
as galt said, he made an ass out of himself...FYi
he just dissed the president YO...no respect there, or class.

Yes, dissing the president has never been done.

 

[Coach]

I admit I've never heard of this Kayne West moron. Who gives a rats ass what he says? Anyone can shoot off their mouth and say meaningless rants. So what? What is this idiot doing to help right now? Did he cut a cheque? Is he getting his ass to a relief shelter and volunteer? I doubt it. Morons like that are all talk. Move on.

 

[David Beckham 23]

I admit I've never heard of this Kayne West moron. Who gives a rats ass what he says? Anyone can shoot off their mouth and say meaningless rants. So what? What is this idiot doing to help right now? Did he cut a cheque? Is he getting his ass to a relief shelter and volunteer? I doubt it. Morons like that are all talk. Move on.

Who gives a rats ass what you say.

The point is he's a person that has a voice and that people listen to. He's sold over 3 million CD (his first one), and has produced many Grammy winning artist. also has won. He should be more careful with the statements. They were careless and irresponsible.

 

[Berlin]

Would Kanye's comment come back and haunt him, who knows.

But as Lauer later said in that show,

" emotions in this country right now are running very high. Sometimes that emotion is translated into inspiration, sometimes into criticism. We've heard some of that tonight. But it's still part of the American way of life."

IMO Kanye is more than entitled to air his rant as an American citizen and as a celeb.

 

[Scorpion King]

Why all the hating on Kanye West?

Good for him - calling out the POTUS. He's right on the money. Had the US govt done the right thing from the start, this conversation would never have taken place. That's the point. For those who dont like it... eat a dick.

Oh wait... it's just another one of those historical 'coincidences' that has black people on the short end of the stick... again.

 

[Cobster]

Yes, dissing the president has never been done.

Not in this style or fashion...not in the way he did it...not with his choice of words (like that helped matters)""...

 

[Coach]

What is West doing to help the people of New Orleans? Other than shooting off his mouth I mean.
The Gov't has not handled the situation well, but to automatically call it racism is simply wrong. There is no proof of that.