Kennedy Assassination

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Mcluhan said:
Both of you guys probably didn't get 'the strap' in primary school, am I right?

the good old days...
LOL.

I got "the strap" on a regular bases, at least once a week (I'm a slow learner).

I still have the physical and emotional scars to prove it. :D
 
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Mcluhan said:
hehe..another thing we have in common, both bad little bastards. It was a badge of honour in my school of course. (sting is the word :)
My principle had a strip of kevlar like material that left the hands stinging for hours after the deed was done.
 
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dreamer said:
Actually it appears that you are only reading conspiracy advocates material.

There was no magic, pristine bullet. The analysis of the video and photographs clearly show that the a magic bullet was not needed.

There is no evidence of a botched autopsy, however physical material did go missing. There is no proof but it is accepted that Bobby Kennedy eventally obtained the blood slides and the container holding the remaining brain material and had it destroyed so as not to be put on public display sometime in the future.

Jack Ruby is anything but proof. In fact if you read credible sources the Ruby timeline showed that is was pure luck in timing. However that does not preclude someone asked him to do it, only that if someone did put him up to it they did not exactly plan it well. The fact is Ruby was hanging out, had a gun, and was looking for an opportunity.
The autopsy was indeed botched and the fact that it was conducted in Washington by naval surgeons instead of in Dallas (which it legally should have been) by trained coroners lends toward a cover up. The most significant murder of the century and the autopsy wasn't even performed by a coroner.

As for Jack Ruby, he was far more significant than you are allowing. Not because he played a big role in the operation, but because of his mob ties and the fact he assassinated the only person who had the desire and means to bring the whole thing crashing down.

You believe what you want. I doubt we will change each other's minds. In the meantime, I have no doubt that a coup d'état took place on November 22, 1963.
 
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Mcluhan said:
ahh..a real pervert eh? Nothing like a man who enjoys his work! lol
He definately enjoyed his work...lol.

The funny thing is, I never worried about the strap as long as my parents didn't find out.

The punishment at home was far worse. :eek:
 
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dreamer said:
You have to be very careful reading conspiracist material as they take things out of context, make dubious assumptions to support their claims and leave alot out.
Sounds eerily similar to the Warren Commission Report.
 

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The autopsy was indeed botched and the fact that it was conducted in Washington by naval surgeons instead of in Dallas (which it legally should have been) by trained coroners lends toward a cover up. The most significant murder of the century and the autopsy wasn't even performed by a coroner.
I fail to see why it is surprising that the assassination of a president would treated differently than a local murder. The law was changed after the assassination that the autopsy of a president is a federal responsibility.

As for cover ups, I agree that is what governments do, but where we differ is what is covered up.

As for Jack Ruby, he was far more significant than you are allowing. Not because he played a big role in the operation, but because of his mob ties and the fact he assassinated the only person who had the desire and means to bring the whole thing crashing down.
Again, just look at Ruby's timeline of activities before he shot Oswald. Did Ruby himself confirm your theory?

You believe what you want. I doubt we will change each other's minds. In the meantime, I have no doubt that a coup d'état took place on November 22, 1963.
I have read many conspiracy theories and they all twist facts, take things out of context and leave things out.

I cannot say if there was a conspiracy or not, however I have yet to read or hear a conspiracy theory that stands up to scrutiny.
 
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dreamer said:
I fail to see why it is surprising that the assassination of a president would treated differently than a local murder. The law was changed after the assassination that the autopsy of a president is a federal responsibility.
Correct. The federal law was initiated because of the events that occurred that day in Dallas. Since at the time of the assassination there was no federal law overturning a state law, the murder of a president had no special legal considerations. In Texas, the law clearly stated that the autopsy of a murder victim must be performed within the state. Therefore, the removal of Kennedy's body was illegal.

Also consider this: while the body was being wheeled out of Parkland Memorial, a hospital administrator tried to stop the secret service but he was pushed away.


dreamer said:
Again, just look at Ruby's timeline of activities before he shot Oswald. Did Ruby himself confirm your theory?
If you can't ackowledge Oswald's murder was a classic example of an attempt to tie up loose ends, look further into his history. Look beyond the timeline of activities that occurred the day he shot Oswald.


dreamer said:
I have read many conspiracy theories and they all twist facts, take things out of context and leave things out.

I cannot say if there was a conspiracy or not, however I have yet to read or hear a conspiracy theory that stands up to scrutiny.
I'm not a conspiracy nut and don't get fooled easily. Of the most commonly known conspiracy theories, this is the only one that I consider to be credible.

I'm not alone. In 1979, The House Select Committee on Assassinations concluded that the Kennedy assassination was the result of a probable conspiracy.

Not all conspiracy theorists wear tinfoil hats.
 

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lookingforitallthetime said:
I'm not alone. In 1979, The House Select Committee on Assassinations concluded that the Kennedy assassination was the result of a probable conspiracy
Well, at least you seem reasonable :) True enough, but they still concluded that Oswald fired three shots and two of them hit their target. They assigned a high probablity that a fourth shot was fired from the grassy know based on acoustical analysis. Scientists have to assign probabilities and it is accepted that the sound evidence could be just random noises. I would assign a lower probability by taking into account the probability that the alleged shooter from the grassy knoll would miss at such a close range and there is no physical evidence of a fourth bullet.
 

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Get over it, he's dead.

OTB
 

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Conspiracy theories never seem to die :)
No its not that. OTB does not have (unfortunately) a inkling about what was lost in '63. DQ does, Pecker does. I do.

OTB is cold. Winning is everything.

We live in a past life, of what could have been. We are family, standing over a grave with some flowers in hand, and a tear in our eye. its a memory, a noble feeling of something once great, lost. He cannot share.

OTB is cynical, not a true patriot. The danger? He imagines that he is.

He is a carpetbagger who sold out the heart of the dream. Not his to sell.

We see the danger for what it is. He cannot see what we see. Cannot know.

The fact that he might be a prick on occasion is entirely insignificant, except to him.

Mcluhan
 

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Mcluhan said:
No its not that. OTB does not have (unfortunately) a inkling about what was lost in '63. DQ does, Pecker does. I do.

OTB is cold. Winning is everything.

We live in a past life, of what could have been. We are family, standing over a grave with some flowers in hand, and a tear in our eye. its a memory, a noble feeling of something once great, lost. He cannot share.

OTB is cynical, not a true patriot. The danger? He imagines that he is.

He is a carpetbagger who sold out the heart of the dream. Not his to sell.

We see the danger for what it is. He cannot see what we see. Cannot know.

The fact that he might be a prick on occasion is entirely insignificant, except to him.

Mcluhan
What a smug Canadian ass you can be.

Kennedy had the benefit (like his girlfriend) of dying young and thus will always be remembered that way. There was no opportunity for him to screw up, to be exposed for stealing the election...... but if you want to live in the past be my guest.

OTB
 
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onthebottom said:
Kennedy had the benefit (like his girlfriend) of dying young and thus will always be remembered that way. There was no opportunity for him to screw up, to be exposed for stealing the election...... but if you want to live in the past be my guest.

OTB
Kennedy did screw up.

What seperated him from others who've made (and are still making) big mistakes is that he acknowledged them.
 

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Howard Hunt before he died said there was a group of Corsican snipers recruited for the job by the mafia.
 

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onthebottom said:
What a smug Canadian ass you can be.

OTB
No worries OTB, your reputation as the King of Smug is in no way threatened by the likes of me.

Btw.. I've noticed you knocking the Canadian character a lot lately. Is there some reason for that? Maybe hitting on the French is not as politically correct these days and you need a new whipping boy; or are you just feeling more nasty than usual....
 

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Mcluhan said:
No worries OTB, your reputation as the King of Smug is in no way threatened by the likes of me.

......
Naw, I don't have your skill for preaching....

OTB
 

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I think OTB likes to take shots just to get a rise out of us.


he knows that once truly pissed off, real Canadians are ruthlessly efficient at eliminating an annoyance.

Last time they pissed us off 1812-14 they got a big surprise. they won't make that mistake again.:)
 
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