LEAF make a trade !!! Brian Leetch a Leaf
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bad trade, way way too much to give up for a 35 year old guy whose best days are behind him, Sather picked Ferguson's pockets
gladheateher - yeah I agree with you. Stunned at first but at second look the Leafs look llike they got fleeced. Overage d-man with his best days behind him. Looks like another Larry Murphy deal to me shaping up. It would have been better to get Gonchar who is some 6-7 years younger and waaaay more productive. . Oh well..
The Leafs also had to give up this year's 1st rounder and next year's 2nd rounder. While we can't argue about these two prospects, they continue to give away their high picks while other teams get these marquee players for simply prospects. Why is the Leafs always get put over the barrel when trading. In a few years, this will be another trade that we will say "What were we thinking'.
Give him time to show his true colors. Leetch is a veteran defenceman with playoff experience. He may not play as well as he used to but his experience and leadership may help out the defence in other ways. Also not many gave Belfour a chance when he first started with the leafs and look how he turned out. Its too early to pass judgement on Leetch IMO.
My goodness...everyone was ready to give away the farm and then some for Gonchar and yet two prospects and a couple of low draft picks are too expensive for Leetch? Leetch is not here for a long time, since he will retire a Ranger, and will add some depth and scoring punch for the Leafs on D. Based on the expected finish of the Leafs this year, the first round should be pretty low so unless the crap out in the first round, it's effectively a second rounder.
There are as many questions about Kondratiev and Immonen as there aare about Coliaccovo and maybe even Stajan so what's the big deal?
It's a safe move for Ferguson given that he will still be around in a couple of years when the rest of these guys are retired and he hasn't given up the most coveted prospects. I don't think Sather has all of a sudden regained the midas touch he had in the late 80's and early 90's when it was guarenteed you were getting fleeced.
Personally I like it but time will tell.
There are as many questions about Kondratiev and Immonen as there aare about Coliaccovo and maybe even Stajan so what's the big deal?
It's a safe move for Ferguson given that he will still be around in a couple of years when the rest of these guys are retired and he hasn't given up the most coveted prospects. I don't think Sather has all of a sudden regained the midas touch he had in the late 80's and early 90's when it was guarenteed you were getting fleeced.
Personally I like it but time will tell.
Leafs did what needed to be done, but I think they gave a lot away to get Leetch.shredder said:
I wouldn't consider a first and second round draft pick a low draft pick. If it was a 4th and 5th round draft pick you could call it a low draft pick.
I agree....way to much for a 36 year old dinosaur. I don't think another offensive defencmen is what the Leafs needed.scubadoo said:
I was referring to the placing in the first round but I understand the concerns. The Leafs are thin with draft picks anyway so giving more away is bad regardless. Given the nature of our market and the fact that the Leafs are a rich team, I don't think we'll ever be the clear winner in trades, but I like who we got, a proven player with Cup experiencein exchange for prospects and speculation.scubadoo said:
"Toronto lands Leetch for defenceman Maxim Kondratiev, forward Jarkko Immonen, a 2004 first-round pick and 2005 second-round selection. The Maple Leafs also receive a conditional pick. "
http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam040303/nhl_nyrtor-cp.html
While I like the idea of getting Leetch, First round draft pick seems a little steep. I still remember the Tom Kurvers for a first round draft pick. The pick that eventually turned into Scott Niedermeyer and a key piece in a whole slew of cups for the Devils.
However I think the Leafs are high enough in the standings that the player that gets picked won't turn into a superstar.
If Leetch can hang around for another 5 years I think it is a good deal. You gotta roll the dice and despite the fact that I dissed the Leafs in a previous thread I think they made the right move.
http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam040303/nhl_nyrtor-cp.html
While I like the idea of getting Leetch, First round draft pick seems a little steep. I still remember the Tom Kurvers for a first round draft pick. The pick that eventually turned into Scott Niedermeyer and a key piece in a whole slew of cups for the Devils.
However I think the Leafs are high enough in the standings that the player that gets picked won't turn into a superstar.
If Leetch can hang around for another 5 years I think it is a good deal. You gotta roll the dice and despite the fact that I dissed the Leafs in a previous thread I think they made the right move.
shredder said:
Even with a lower end 1st round or 2nd round pick a team with good scouting can do alot with the picks ( Ottawa Senators for example Daniel Alfredson 6th round pick in 1994). Whether the Rangers have the scouting to make something of the picks will have to been seen. They could also package those picks for future trades. It will be interesting to see what happens. As I have said, Toronto needed to do something, they have done it now, we'll just have to wait to see the result.
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Oh man ! That deal stinks ! What was Fergie boy thinking ?? 1st and 2nd round picks ??? When his old man finds out he's going to whup juniour's ass !! Leetch is a good player, no questions asked but the Leafs traded away their future. If they're eliminated in the first round again, this trade is going to hurt for a long time.
Leetch is a -5 in the plus/minus department which puts him at the very bottom of the League. He's been out with injuries. The pressure to do something must have been too great - too bad the Leafs let themselves be pushed to the wall - they were burned.
Does this mean the Leafs qualify for a volume discount on Polident ? My grandfather tells me some of the Leafs were great players in their prime.
Oh man ! That deal stinks ! What was Fergie boy thinking ?? 1st and 2nd round picks ??? When his old man finds out he's going to whup juniour's ass !! Leetch is a good player, no questions asked but the Leafs traded away their future. If they're eliminated in the first round again, this trade is going to hurt for a long time.
Leetch is a -5 in the plus/minus department which puts him at the very bottom of the League. He's been out with injuries. The pressure to do something must have been too great - too bad the Leafs let themselves be pushed to the wall - they were burned.
Does this mean the Leafs qualify for a volume discount on Polident ? My grandfather tells me some of the Leafs were great players in their prime.
Typical fickle leaf fans. Their fans will bitch if they go out and grab a player or stand pat. The Leafs could have gotten Gonchar, Bondra, Jagr, ect if they would only pony up and give some kids away. Sounds familar?? Here's another one.... Why did the leafs grab Nolan??? He's got a bad back, McCauley is having a career year in SJ and they gave up a draft pick and a good prospect to boot.
Another Larry Murphy mishap won't happen this time because Leetch is not 1 or 2 on the depth chart. Probably more like 3rd or 4th tops.
They didn't have to give away their "A" list kids such as Coliaccaivo , Stajan, Antropov ect. It would have been a gimme that a couple of draft picks had to be included considering what every team has ponied up for for this years fire sales. Besides, the Leafs have a better batting average signing free agents than they do drafting talent.
Leetch is a more complete player than Gonchar is and his salary is lower too. Who knows, maybe the Leafs have more of that pension money to grab another player like Eric Brewer!
Another Larry Murphy mishap won't happen this time because Leetch is not 1 or 2 on the depth chart. Probably more like 3rd or 4th tops.
They didn't have to give away their "A" list kids such as Coliaccaivo , Stajan, Antropov ect. It would have been a gimme that a couple of draft picks had to be included considering what every team has ponied up for for this years fire sales. Besides, the Leafs have a better batting average signing free agents than they do drafting talent.
Leetch is a more complete player than Gonchar is and his salary is lower too. Who knows, maybe the Leafs have more of that pension money to grab another player like Eric Brewer!
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Leech has played on a underachieving Rangers Team. He wants to win a cup before he retires. This Guy is a 2 time Norris Trophy Winner. yes he has played soft in the last couple of years but look at the Rangers. Have not played in the Playoffs since 1996. He will help and I'm positive about the trade. Yes a first ronder is steep but Anything else would have been an insult.
Time will only tell. But now Berg can sit , Thank God.
I think this is only the beggining too. The leafs can afford to trade a forward so anything is possible.
This trade helped the Leafs. I really don't care about prospects and draft picks. Martin St Louis was not even drafted and he may win the HART trophy. Some first rounders never even cracked the line up.
Agian TIME WILL ONLY TELL.
Leech has played on a underachieving Rangers Team. He wants to win a cup before he retires. This Guy is a 2 time Norris Trophy Winner. yes he has played soft in the last couple of years but look at the Rangers. Have not played in the Playoffs since 1996. He will help and I'm positive about the trade. Yes a first ronder is steep but Anything else would have been an insult.
Time will only tell. But now Berg can sit , Thank God.
I think this is only the beggining too. The leafs can afford to trade a forward so anything is possible.
This trade helped the Leafs. I really don't care about prospects and draft picks. Martin St Louis was not even drafted and he may win the HART trophy. Some first rounders never even cracked the line up.
Agian TIME WILL ONLY TELL.
