and a possible alliance with the Block Quebecois? whats up with that? as long as they kick the liberals out , take Mcfly / Mcguinty with you, but no special deals for quebec
Looks like a Conservative government, Harper already consulting Mulroney on transitio
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Hey folks. There are still four weeks til the election. Its fun to speculate and read the latest polls but it is just speculation and they are only polls. There can still be big swings in public opinion, especially here in Ontario. I suspect opinions will start to stabilize a little more after the televised leaders' debate.
Re: Looks like a Conservative government, Harper already consulting Mulroney on transitio
Harper AND the BQ have both emphatically stated that they will not form a coalition govt.gladheateher said:
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BUT, there is a saying, my enemy's enemy is my friend. Only time will tell when the Bloc and Conservatives gang up to fight for one enemy, the Liberals.
BTW, if Stephen Harpers becomes PM, prepare yourself getting Canadian twist of "bushwracking".
That will be a strange bed fellows indeed if they form a coalition government. How weird is that when you have Quebec and Alberta separtists form a coalition?johnnyhandsome said:
BUT, there is a saying, my enemy's enemy is my friend. Only time will tell when the Bloc and Conservatives gang up to fight for one enemy, the Liberals.
BTW, if Stephen Harpers becomes PM, prepare yourself getting Canadian twist of "bushwracking".
Consulting with Mulroney???
That's a ringing endorsement. Harper would be better off talking to Joe Clark than that S.O.B. Mulroney.
That's a ringing endorsement. Harper would be better off talking to Joe Clark than that S.O.B. Mulroney.
When you compare two SOBs Brian Mulroney and Joe Clark, Brian Mulroney hasn't had beef with Stephen Harper....yet.james t kirk said:
Plus, like any politicans ideology can be very "flexible" if needed.
Would Brian Mulroney stick with the "has been" and once arch-rival Joe Clark?
He would put his bet on the "winning team" Stephen Harper.
BTW, Mulroney "endorsement" is very significant since he is a Catholic, while the nucleus of the Conservatives are mostly Evengelical Christians.
I suspect many Liberals politicans are raised as Catholics, either Irish or Francophones. At least Paul Martin, Dalton McGunity, and Jean Chertien are.
You hear people saying they will not vote for Martin because of McGuinty...what's that all about?
Why is it everyone is tying in the Federal and Provincial Liberals. They have nothing in common but the party name. Besides for me it's been Liberal federally, and lately Conservative provincially.
Why is it everyone is tying in the Federal and Provincial Liberals. They have nothing in common but the party name. Besides for me it's been Liberal federally, and lately Conservative provincially.
The voters couldn't care less of whether the politican is a provincial Liberal or federal liberal.The Bandit said:
Who really cares when Gordon Campbell, the BC Liberals premier doesn't see eye to eye with Paul Martin on many issues?
What makes sense when tying the federal and provincial are the Conservatives and the Bloc and Parti Quebecois. They are just one of the same.
What are the differences between the parties when it comes to "wasting the taxpayers money"?
Liberals-tax and waste the taxpayers money proportionally according to your wealth so that the majority of the people are less antsy to the government. Model themselves as "mainstream", less "extreme" and "immigrants/visible minorities friendly"
NDP-tax heavily on the big corportions, the wealthy and spend lavishly on the city poor and the powerful unions. Model themselves as the little guys fighting the big guys and fighting for the less well-off immigrants.
Conservatives-tax cuts on the rich, the corporations and the oil men outwest, while cutting every benefits on the middle class and the poor. They waste the taxpayers money on things such as cuts on EI, two-tier health systems and subsidizing families to send their kids to private, religious schools. Model themselves as blue-blood, sub-urban, agricultural, white men dominant, high religious moral, corporate and wealthy class friendly groups...like an insect.
Bloc Quebecois-anything stink or sucks on the Anglophones are always a gain to the Francophones. Model themselves as pure Frenchmen and Frenchwomen, even though the real French don't see their fellow Quebecois on equal grounds and with high esteems.
Liberals-tax and waste the taxpayers money proportionally according to your wealth so that the majority of the people are less antsy to the government. Model themselves as "mainstream", less "extreme" and "immigrants/visible minorities friendly"
NDP-tax heavily on the big corportions, the wealthy and spend lavishly on the city poor and the powerful unions. Model themselves as the little guys fighting the big guys and fighting for the less well-off immigrants.
Conservatives-tax cuts on the rich, the corporations and the oil men outwest, while cutting every benefits on the middle class and the poor. They waste the taxpayers money on things such as cuts on EI, two-tier health systems and subsidizing families to send their kids to private, religious schools. Model themselves as blue-blood, sub-urban, agricultural, white men dominant, high religious moral, corporate and wealthy class friendly groups...like an insect.
Bloc Quebecois-anything stink or sucks on the Anglophones are always a gain to the Francophones. Model themselves as pure Frenchmen and Frenchwomen, even though the real French don't see their fellow Quebecois on equal grounds and with high esteems.
At least Mulroney didn't antagonize Ronald Reagan, who also happened to be Dubya's role model, much to the dismay of the Sr. I admit this alone is better than Chertien on Bush but Chertien has much better relationship with Bill Clinton.Winston said:
Unless you hate "slick willy" and Hiliary.
For John Turner, he is not a true liberal in blood. He just took over the mess from the late Pierre Trudeau, which is eerily reminisent to Paul Martin right now.
I won't say Paul Martin is not a good PM compared to Mulroney. What do you expect a guy on the job for roughly six months?
At least Mulroney had eight years to make things better at first and then made enemies on everybody from introducing GST to Meech Lake accord. He is the one who destroyed the Progessive Conservative Party, the same Party our forefather Sir John A. MacDonald built it.
It's a miracle or somesort the PC party survived 2 seats humiliated defeats in 93 election and made a comeback by Joe Clark after Jean Charest defected to the Liberals until the Reform/Alliances finished the PC like a bunches of vultures eating the decay dead bodies.
actually when you look back a Harper lead Conservative/ Bloc Quebecois alliance isnt a longshot, because lets look at what the PC government was under Mulroney, a coalition of Quebec separatists with the likes of Bouchard and Western decentralists, Mulroney was able to hold this coalition together right up to the Meech Lake failure when the Bloc was formed, so its not all that crazy of an idea.
I think that Chretien ruined the chance for Martin to get a large majority like he did. He should of stepped down before his third term. I dont think Martin is such a bad guy, its just that ppl (me included) get tired of having the same party, same policies for such a long time. People even got tired of the much loved Trudeau (sorta).
I think I kinda like the US law that you get 2 terms, and thats it.
I think I kinda like the US law that you get 2 terms, and thats it.
Re: Re: Re: Looks like a Conservative government, Harper already consulting Mulroney on transitio
Alberta separatists?? Perhaps you are not paying attention. There are no Alberta separatists running for the Tories.sweet guy said:
Not quite. MacDonald headed the "Liberal-Conservative" party, which later metamorphosed into the "Conservative" party, which got destroyed in the late thirties, and merged with the Progressives to form the Progressive Conservative Party in the 1940s. This merger occured in similar circumstances as the recent merger. The Conservatives had been reduced to a handful of seats and the Progressives were the protest party from the West, while the government was dominated by Liberal majorities under King. Many years later, Diefenbaker took the new party to victory in 1957.sweet guy said:
The merger with the Alliance is just a repeat of the events in the 40s and 50s.
The Tory/BQ alliance is a joke. It always amuses me to observe how willingly the English Canadian media will evoke the idea of this kind of alliance. The assumption of some English Canadians that the Bloc would readily prop up a Tory administration is almost as amusing as the assumption of some French Canadians that Canada would conclude an economic customs union with a sovereign Quebec.scouser1 said:
Not at all. The BQ model themselves as Québécois, not as Frenchmen. The attitude of the French is virtually irrelevant to Quebec politics in general.sweet guy said:
The parallels are striking. Diefenbaker killed the Tory coalition he had built in 1958 leaving it as a western rump party in 1967 having alienated the centre and the east. Mulroney OTOH left the party as a rump Atlantic party, having alienated everything east of Quebec.bbking said:
P. Manning channelled a protest movement into a national force - as the Progressives had done before him. As the bright light always attracts the flies, the Reform party had to deal with its share of fruits and nuts in its ranks. Unfortunately, following Manning's steady leadership (where Manning continually "pruned" the party, expelling the extremists), Stock Day and his brand of religious conservatism took control. After Harper took the leadership, he's centred the party's platform on economic issues, taking a moderate focus on so-called "social" issues.
In the current party, Peter MacKay has a key rôle. Hugh Segal is instrumental in the transition team in the event of a Tory government. All four Atlantic premiers have endorsed Harper. Of course the Western element dominates the Tories, just as the Western element is entirely absent from the Grits - that's politics.
