Looks like the number of women requiring deposits is growing day by day

[Dcoat]

That made absolutely no sense.

It's actually quite a good assessment. Reread it.

 

[Samranchoi]

Thank you.

I hope that you understand from my posts that I agree with some of what you guys go through. I’m just trying to explain some of mine.

I think it is entirely fair to have a name, real phone number and SP reference when the client has my actual private home address and access to multiple reviews. I think it is fair game.



Why must I be????? LOL. That is so laughable. Let me break it down for you because I know you will not understand.

I provide something that others don’t. Having the ability to go into a SPs personal private space, which my home is immaculate, well designed and comfy AF, is a unique service in its own right.

Many of my clients feel a stronger sense of intimacy being in my private home, they feel a stronger connection to me being in my personal space.

Also, many of my dates, we hang in the kitchen cooking a nice meal, playing on the counters while we wait for the food, we rest outside in my backyard while BBQing, copping feels and acting like horny teenagers. It is a completely different type of service. I would say as close to a GFE as possible.

For that experience, there is a cost factor. I actually charge one of the highest rates in Durham. There are barely any incalls set up the same as mine, and I say barely even though I actually don’t know if one. I’m just leaving room in case there is . Many are Motel 6 style incalls and not something that my type of clients want. They don’t want a stale business transaction. Some guys like it. But mine don’t.

So to answer your question, no I don’t charge WAY less simply because I don’t have the added expense of a separate location. My pricing is not based on expense but based on the services I provide.

Oh and PS - I am in my mid-forties. I started at 39. I can’t keep up with the amount of guys that want to book. I learned from the best. Miss Jessica Lee. Also a woman in her 40ties working successfully with a huge client following. I know other escorts in their 50ties working, padding their retirement funds with huge bank, so to say SPs have a shelf life is beyond rediculous.

I’m going to suggest that you remember everyone is different. Not everyone is like you and likes what you like and dislikes what you don’t like. There are MANY other people in this world who think and feel differently then you.

Contrary to what a couple of other less knowledgeable guys think about YOUR BUSINESS AND PRICING STRATEGY, your comments made total sense to me especially the comment about your price having nothing to do with expenses but rather everything to do with the service you provide and the atmosphere you create and the environment where you provide them.

 

[Nathan 88]

In my opinion no one should ever leave a deposit in this business, sooner or later you’re going to get burned.
For those of you who say that you trust your provider and she trusts you, in that case then there would be no need for a deposit.
The only reason some providers are getting deposits is because some men are agreeing to do it. If no one did it then the providers would have no choice but to stop that practice if they wanted to stay in business.
So if you are making a deposit and complaining about it, then it’s your own fault.

 

[Jenesis]

It's actually quite a good assessment. Reread it.

Meh - probably won’t. Maybe it is the way it is written. Maybe some better sentence structure and all that jazz, would help but I really don’t care enough about the opinion of a person like him personally.

Having read his opinions on a few other topics as of late, I have to admit I am quite put off by some of it. So for my personal enjoyment of the board, I’m putting him on ignore.

If you would like to take a stab at his view point, I would be happy to debate it with you. While I may not agree with some of what you say, I don’t find your opinions offensive and you are pretty responsible in your rebuttals. If it really means something to you.

If not, cool. I don’t see how my Incall set up and relative fee is on topic here but I will take the attention. The PMs I am getting are wonderful. LOL.

 

[Samranchoi]

In my opinion no one should ever leave a deposit in this business, sooner or later you’re going to get burned.
For those of you who say that you trust your provider and she trusts you, in that case then there would be no need for a deposit.
The only reason some providers are getting deposits is because some men are agreeing to do it. If no one did it then the providers would have no choice but to stop that practice if they wanted to stay in business.
So if you are making a deposit and complaining about it, then it’s your own fault.

I guess much in the same way that if guys stopped paying women for sex, they will have to decrease their prices. With the current situation what has happened? Certainly not a decrease in prices and in HPL’s case a large increase for 6 of their women.

 

[Dcoat]

Meh - probably won’t. Maybe it is the way it is written. Maybe some better sentence structure and all that jazz, would help but I really don’t care enough about the opinion of a person like him personally.

Having read his opinions on a few other topics as of late, I have to admit I am quite put off by some of it. So for my personal enjoyment of the board, I’m putting him on ignore.

If you would like to take a stab at his view point, I would be happy to debate it with you. While I may not agree with some of what you say, I don’t find your opinions offensive and you are pretty responsible in your rebuttals. If it really means something to you.

If not, cool. I don’t see how my Incall set up and relative fee is on topic here but I will take the attention. The PMs I am getting are wonderful. LOL.

A bit more simply -
By choosing to host at home, you know there's both a financial benefit as well as a heightened risk of an invasion of your privacy if not safety. He says you take the financial benefit as well as balancing the risks. Both of those are carried by the client. First you ask for full (invasion of ) personal information, on top of which you charge extra for being at in your home.

His implicit suggestion is, in principle, you might do one or the other but doing both just doubles the weight for the client.

I see his point. But at the end of the day, the market is the arbiter of whether you're running the business well or not.

 

[lessjamie7]

That made absolutely no sense.

Bwahahahahaha I love magic mushrooms

Lj

 

[blackjackshelac]

I was supposed to see Kate Day from Vancouver here in Toronto and had to cancel literally at the last second and felt terrible. I was unable to get her compensation but through a friend of hers that was in Toronto from Vancouver I was able to meet and pay her the 350 she was due. She told me after receiving it, she had gone back to Vancouver “wow, I didn’t see that happening” do right by people all the time regardless of what they do

 

[Jenesis]

A bit more simply -
By choosing to host at home, you know there's both a financial benefit as well as a heightened risk of an invasion of your privacy if not safety. He says you take the financial benefit as well as balancing the risks. Both of those are carried by the client. First you ask for full (invasion of ) personal information, on top of which you charge extra for being at in your home.

His implicit suggestion is, in principle, you might do one or the other but doing both just doubles the weight for the client.

I see his point. But at the end of the day, the market is the arbiter of whether you're running the business well or not.

Ya I thought that is basically what he was trying to say-ish but it still makes no sense to me. Not because I don’t understand the attempted theory being presented, but the factors being used are wrong in my opinion.

1, Where is the “invasion of privacy” of the client? A single telephone number???? I am not asking for ID, deposits, bank info, employment info, etc.

2. The risk to my privacy is higher in my opinion based on having my address, then in me having his number. The risks to outing for me is greater, the risk to safety is higher for me, etc. There is no extra risk carried by the client, while there is to me.

3. I don’t charge “extra” for running out of a private home. If I was running an incall elsewhere, as I do often enough, I have a higher touring rate for that, because I have the higher expense.

He is letting his greediness confuse him. I may have the higher end of the rates in Durham, but that is based on many factors. For the incall part, being the overall type of incall provided and that includes not in a motel, incall with an actual bed, not simple mattress on the floor, a quiet safe neighborhood without huge police presence, for examples. Just naming a few of the more common issues of incalls in Durham.

So my rates are not necessarily higher because it is a my private incall, but based on the overall incall scene in Durham in general.

The “extra” or “service“ difference of my personal incall is the extra feelings of personal intimacy, etc already described and that is something that my type of marketed clientele like. That is the added bonus for clients hiring me in Whitby and is actually not something reflected in my rates. So the client is actually getting more for “free” there. If you really want to break it down like that. Personally I don’t. I like to look at everything I have to offer against the current market and value myself accordingly. Which I think I have in a fair and reasonable fashion for both parties, and for both rates and privacy respectively.

This is why I didn’t bother with him. As I said, I feel he has opinions that are just totally off the rails to my way of thinking and while this particular opinion is “meh -whatever” to me, some of his other opinions are pretty offensive in their thought processes. So on ignore he goes.

And since my successfully run businesses (both of them) are already widely known enough on this board, back on topic this thread goes.

 

[The Oracle]

Bwahahahahaha I love magic mushrooms

Lj

Bought some called ''penis envy'' the other day..........Top notch I have to say

 

[boatboy]

Sounds very reasonable, and I would agree, well established, well reviewed ladies should be trustworthy.


Except............ my experience is unfortunate.

A lady who advertises here regularly (daily), has many reviews (YMMV considered), took a full fee e-transfer, then cancelled, refused to return the fee by the same e-transfer. Just in case you think she didn't know me or I became rude, she reminded me before I sent the e-transfer that she remembered me (fondly ?) and she had the record because I had seen her twice over 2 or 3 years.

She finally agreed to meet me, 45 mins away from the incall and where I live, to pick up cash.

I will NEVER prepay.

If you don’t give names your just making it up

 

[boatboy]

Escorts vet there clients me being a client I vet the escorts, especially if a deposit is required if it’s somebody I don’t know, I’ll vet them on the forums, what type of web sight they have Read some reviews and if there’s no record of them , I’ll move on, one of my favorite escorts Charlotte Edwards from Toronto who occasionally came out to Vancouver when she had clients booked with no deposit had some bail on her so the trip was a bust, now a deposit is required no problem for me , I’ll happily do a deposit heck for her I’d pay in full
but that’s me and Vancouver for whatever reason is known for the guys bailing on the booking, so that’s we’re the deposit comes in to stop that

 

[Brolaf]

Just my personal opinion, but you'd have to be a pretty big simp to voluntarily doxx yourself to an SP and also pay a deposit just for the privilege of paying her to pretend to enjoy having sex with your sorry ass.

 

[NiceToMeetYou]

In my case, I stopped seeing independent girls long time ago because their rates are not in my range. In addition, many indies appear to have a bunch of rules as you guys mentioned above such as sending advance deposit, sending photo ID (sound likes they are working for LE lol), sending email from work email, cancellation fees (1-way cancellation fee BTW lol), frequently being late with no respect of clients' time and efforts and etc. To me, it's not worth the RISKS of complying to these RULES and REQUIREMENTS.

Simply enough, I have been using agencies which don't require any of the above things to reveal my TRUE identity or sending them deposit before seeing the girls. I am very happy with the girls whom I have seen in a couple agencies. In the past when I still saw western girls, I booked with Mirage and Minx with ease and I was so HAPPY with HAPPY ENDINGS with their lovely, friendly, beautiful and sexy girls as hell LOL. The guys or girls whom I talked to for booking were friendly and easy to book with. So, there is no complain and I am HAPPY with them.

Nowadays, I am sticking with Asian agencies. Also, I click very well with girls from Korea and have had great time with many of them from Moon Waiting VIP, Barbie House 69, Asian Sexy Babe and Pandora (unfortunately, no longer operate - remember Diamond, Ruby, Ara, Bianca and etc.).

In my case, using agencies is much simple than indies. It is less hassle and lots less trouble, at the same time, it keeps my wallet heavier LOL.

I wish there can be Meet & Greet parties with girls from agencies after the pandemic will be over perhaps organized by a couple agencies. That would be a lot of FUN and provide opportunities to see / meet / interact with many girls from a couple agencies before a real DATE.... I believe that indies have organized M & G parties in the past.

 

[Fun For All]

I wish there can be Meet & Greet parties with girls from agencies after the pandemic will be over perhaps organized by a couple agencies. That would be a lot of FUN and provide opportunities to see / meet / interact with many girls from a couple agencies before a real DATE.... I believe that indies have organized M & G parties in the past.

I've been to meet and greets...mixed results, tough to organize I think, but I've enjoyed them and look forward to the next one.

 

[lessjamie7]

Yes that clearly is the path of the least resistance, however as every Indy is different establishing that relationship with numerous agencies will take some time. The other thing is that most agencies are limited in the number of mature ladies. The agencies is tend to Focus on the younger crowd and I for one have a hard line at 30 years old...the world has more mature indies than the agencies do but unfortunately I will have to do more research..thx for the support

Agencies also have a vested interest in the indie market collapsing, if I were an agency I would be posting fake ads on LL to leverage frustrated clients to use my services, but that's just me, and besides it's not like there is a lot of money to be made from clients.

LJ

 

[Jenesis]

Agencies also have a vested interest in the indie market collapsing, if I were an agency I would be posting fake ads on LL to leverage frustrated clients to use my services, but that's just me, and besides it's not like there is a lot of money to be made from clients.

LJ

They already do. What makes you think they don’t.

Now I would not say places like Mirage or Cupid’s do this. They have no need but there are agencies that do. Many in some smaller communities. They will also booked fake appointments with indies. Especially traveling indies.

Don’t get me wrong. Other indies will fuck with indies as well but to your point, agencies already do.

Which makes it harder for indies, who screen more, who then push some guys to agencies. As well as pushing guys via scam ads.

 

[escortsxxx]

Yes that clearly is the path of the least resistance, however as every Indy is different establishing that relationship with numerous agencies will take some time. The other thing is that most agencies are limited in the number of mature ladies. The agencies is tend to Focus on the younger crowd and I for one have a hard line at 30 years old...the world has more mature indies than the agencies do but unfortunately I will have to do more research..thx for the support

Quote of the day

“Politics and prostitution have to be the only jobs where inexperience is considered a virtue. In what other profession would you brag about not knowing stuff? “I’m not one of those fancy Harvard heart surgeons. I’m just an unlicensed plumber with a dream and I’d like to cut your chest open.” The crowd cheers.”
― Tina Fey

 

[y2kmark]

Just my personal opinion, but you'd have to be a pretty big simp to voluntarily doxx yourself to an SP and also pay a deposit just for the privilege of paying her to pretend to enjoy having sex with your sorry ass.

Women seen wicked when you're unwanted
streets are uneven, when your'e down....

 

[Rummy]

E-transfer will reveal your real name/civilian e-mail, so you have to be ok with that...

You can put in whatever name and email you want on Etransfer. It’s in your bank app settings, although I had to do it via website bank login.