Looks like the number of women requiring deposits is growing day by day

[Thackeray]

For what it’s worth...

The one time I had to get a referral to see a new agency, it ended up being the worst agency I’d ever used - went there for a girl I knew who started there, saw a few others after she left. Last girl still makes me shudder to think of.

Every time I’m asked for money up front the session is invariably terrible. Had one last week.

The confident agencies and confident girls know you’ll pay, and know you’ll return. They’re not in it to make sure new clients don’t ghost - they’re in it for those of us return again and again and again.

Normal businesses have a huge advantage in being able to credit check new customers, and SPs don’t. Plus they can be seriously at risk if they guess wrong.

But the better customers will always go to places that treat them like they want to be treated - anonymous yet trusted.

I know - weird industry but there it is.

 

[Carvher]

Aren't no shows part of the business? Every business has something that wastes your time, it's part of life. Think about all the time wasted by businesses that do quotes but don't get the job. For a roofer it might be 1 hour wasted but think about an architectural firm, an infrastructure company like Aecon, a large parts manufacturer. These companies can waste tens of thousands of dollars and hundred if man-hours quoting jobs they don't get.

 

[Jean Compot]

etransfer or gift card wanted seems like a bad idea and makes me not want to visit

 

[Akila Besos]

I don't think one should be required to send a portion of the money upfront without having met the provider but if they are long term clients then I think its okie

I would never ask a guy to give me money upfront , it is just not for me because I believe I should trust that the client or whoever will actually show up

 

[coolmanfever]

sp should take bitcoins. Any sp take bitcoins?

 

[jcpro]

For what it’s worth...

The one time I had to get a referral to see a new agency, it ended up being the worst agency I’d ever used - went there for a girl I knew who started there, saw a few others after she left. Last girl still makes me shudder to think of.

Every time I’m asked for money up front the session is invariably terrible. Had one last week.

The confident agencies and confident girls know you’ll pay, and know you’ll return. They’re not in it to make sure new clients don’t ghost - they’re in it for those of us return again and again and again.

Normal businesses have a huge advantage in being able to credit check new customers, and SPs don’t. Plus they can be seriously at risk if they guess wrong.

But the better customers will always go to places that treat them like they want to be treated - anonymous yet trusted.

I know - weird industry but there it is.

You're not wrong about this.

 

[SchlongConery]

The confident agencies and confident girls know you’ll pay, and know you’ll return. They’re not in it to make sure new clients don’t ghost - they’re in it for those of us return again and again and again.

Yup!

 

[Uniforms Please]

I don't think one should be required to send a portion of the money upfront without having met the provider but if they are long term clients then I think its okie

I would never ask a guy to give me money upfront , it is just not for me because I believe I should trust that the client or whoever will actually show up

Agree with you, their needs to be some measure of trust, I have not had positive experience when the SP asked for donation up front.

 

[SchlongConery]

I don't think one should be required to send a portion of the money upfront without having met the provider but if they are long term clients then I think its okie

I would never ask a guy to give me money upfront , it is just not for me because I believe I should trust that the client or whoever will actually show up

If they are "long term clients" why the need for a deposit?

 

[Akila Besos]

Agree with you, their needs to be some measure of trust, I have not had positive experience when the SP asked for donation up front.

Trust is vital but sometimes people are afraid that one will abuse it especially given todays situation around the world.

That has to be a redflag for me if I ever ask someone for that then I have chosen the wrong profession at that point

The difference might be if you are both travelling to an out of town location and they require the $$ in some form ahead of time but it should only be maybe 10% at that point.

 

[Akila Besos]

If they are "long term clients" why the need for a deposit?

I feel like it would be as a security blanket. That is my understanding atleast but it may well vary case by case for alot of providers

 

[Akila Besos]

But the thing I don't understand is why you would need a "security blanket" with a long term client? Wouldn't there already be trust established if the client were long term? Wouldn't it be new clients that you'd need a "security blanket" with?

I have no objection to girls asking for deposits. It's their business and it's their body. They can do as they please and they'll have clients willing to play by those rules. But for me for several reasons this is strictly a cash business and I'm not sending e-transfers or gift cards or anything else. That means I would lose out on seeing some very well known young ladies, and that's a price I'm willing to pay for the sake of anonymity.

I understand your position completely ...I myself have a former client of mine that I see regularly and I trust him 100% for when he pays

I think its a case by case basis for people

But I am not one to charge like that so I cannot answer truthfully

 

[y2kmark]

For what it’s worth...

The one time I had to get a referral to see a new agency, it ended up being the worst agency I’d ever used - went there for a girl I knew who started there, saw a few others after she left. Last girl still makes me shudder to think of.

Every time I’m asked for money up front the session is invariably terrible. Had one last week.

The confident agencies and confident girls know you’ll pay, and know you’ll return. They’re not in it to make sure new clients don’t ghost - they’re in it for those of us return again and again and again.

Normal businesses have a huge advantage in being able to credit check new customers, and SPs don’t. Plus they can be seriously at risk if they guess wrong.

But the better customers will always go to places that treat them like they want to be treated - anonymous yet trusted.

I know - weird industry but there it is.

For awhile (and I know not of any locations outside Niagara) some of the dancers in strip clubs were asking for the money up front for a lap dance. Turned out to be a kind of red flag to expect a shitty lap dance. Enough guys started giving that a pass that the practice died out. Girls who fail to grasp what makes a lap dance worth 20 bucks are usually here today - gone tomorrow...

 

[Valcazar]

sp should take bitcoins. Any sp take bitcoins?

Some do.
Bitcoins at exchange would be ok, but not at fixed rate.

 

[james t kirk]

This is a very valid concern on both sides which I don't think there is a perfect solution for - just based on what the provider is comfortable with based on her personal experiences and what the client is comfortable with based on their personal experiences. I think reviews and reputation are paramount when deciding whether to go with a booking - regardless of deposits or information required. When you look at businesses outside of this industry who do require deposits and personally identifying information - they are businesses that just don't have time to waste on time wasting patrons anymore because they are not hurting for business. Hotels, spas, service providers who book well in advance for their services, restaurants with a reputation and can demand a deposit or credit card information. I think a lot of providers want to be recognized as a legitimate business and enforce regulations based on that. However, there is a real concern for privacy and legal repercussions to worry about on the client side, so it makes for a precarious position.

I can only speak for myself when I say.. why would a regular patron of mine not be cool with providing me a deposit if he already knows I am reliable and has seen me before? That pisses me off. Also, why would someone be against me asking for a $100 amazon gift card (as an alternative if someone is uncomfortable with etransfer or paypal methods) as a show of good faith and acceptable method of deposit when there is no identifying information there, is beyond me.

1. Why would you ask an existing client that presumably is a good client for a deposit? That makes no sense, especially given what you have stated above.

2. You mention that there are other businesses out there that ask for credit card information when booking. Admittedly, hotels do this. However, your example is a false equivalence. Booking a hotel room and paying for sex are simply not the same thing. Booking a hotel room won't get you arrested, will not cause you lose your job, will not lead to the destruction of your reputation, nor will it lead to a divorce

See the difference?

 

[james t kirk]

Its funny to me reading this thread about how providers get cancelled on and how unfair that is.

Made me think of my own line of work. Let's just say I work in the private sector on large dollar projects.

I wish I had a dime for every time I've been fucked around by a client, a subcontractor, or better yet the people who work for me. I'd be fucking rich. I have to chase clients to pay million dollar invoices that have not been paid in over a year. I perform extra work outside of what was in the contract and the client doesn't figure they should pay. I've had client who don't define their scope of work correctly and then threaten to walk away because its going to cost more after we have invested huge sums of money ramping up to do their project. I've had subcontractors not do what they were contracted to do, who do shoddy work, who make excuses, who forget to include pricing their entire scope of work because they are stupid and then think I should pay for their error. I've had employees steal and use and abuse the company like its permissable because its a company.

I've seen it all and more. I've got the proverbial T-shirt.

Thats the risk you take being in business.

 

[Jenesis]

Aren't no shows part of the business? Every business has something that wastes your time, it's part of life. Think about all the time wasted by businesses that do quotes but don't get the job. For a roofer it might be 1 hour wasted but think about an architectural firm, an infrastructure company like Aecon, a large parts manufacturer. These companies can waste tens of thousands of dollars and hundred if man-hours quoting jobs they don't get.

Umm we are not quoting jobs. That are our ads so yes, if we pay for ads that don’t make ROI, I get what you are saying.

These are more akin to doctors offices. Private sector, you pay the doctor in advance. You don’t show, private or public, you pay a cancellation fee or you don’t go back. Same thing applies to escorts canceled appointments.

 

[SchlongConery]

Its funny to me reading this thread about how providers get cancelled on and how unfair that is.

Made me think of my own line of work. Let's just say I work in the private sector on large dollar projects.

I wish I had a dime for every time I've been fucked around by a client, a subcontractor, or better yet the people who work for me. I'd be fucking rich. I have to chase clients to pay million dollar invoices that have not been paid in over a year. I perform extra work outside of what was in the contract and the client doesn't figure they should pay. I've had client who don't define their scope of work correctly and then threaten to walk away because its going to cost more after we have invested huge sums of money ramping up to do their project. I've had subcontractors not do what they were contracted to do, who do shoddy work, who make excuses, who forget to include pricing their entire scope of work because they are stupid and then think I should pay for their error. I've had employees steal and use and abuse the company like its permissable because its a company.

I've seen it all and more. I've got the proverbial T-shirt.

Thats the risk you take being in business.

Why don't you equate yourself to being a Physician...

Umm we are not quoting jobs. That are our ads so yes, if we pay for ads that don’t make ROI, I get what you are saying.

These are more akin to doctors offices. Private sector, you pay the doctor in advance. You don’t show, private or public, you pay a cancellation fee or you don’t go back. Same thing applies to escorts canceled appointments.

 

[Thackeray]

For awhile (and I know not of any locations outside Niagara) some of the dancers in strip clubs were asking for the money up front for a lap dance. Turned out to be a kind of red flag to expect a shitty lap dance. Enough guys started giving that a pass that the practice died out. Girls who fail to grasp what makes a lap dance worth 20 bucks are usually here today - gone tomorrow...

good analogous situation - pay upfront means the girl knows it’s going to be shitty

totally understand both sides of this, but the customer and market does have a lot of influence here

 

[Jenesis]

good analogous situation - pay upfront means the girl knows it’s going to be shitty

totally understand both sides of this, but the customer and market does have a lot of influence here

I would agree for the larger market but for niche markets, I would say that more screening and deposits are done.