Make Daylight Saving Permanent

Ponderling

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I have in the past lived 3 years in Queensland Australia, where no DST.

Sun sets most nights 6:30 to 7, and nearer the equator so no slow sunset.
Birds start to sing at 3:30 in the morning as the sun rises in the summer.

So be careful what you wish for.
 
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I have in the past lived 3 years in Queensland Australia, where no DST.

Sun sets most nights 6:30 to 7, and nearer the equator so no slow sunset.
Birds start to sing at 3:30 in the morning as the sun rises in the summer.

So be careful what you wish for.
Isn't that the opposite of permanent DST? With permanent DST it stays light an hour later in the evening, and sunrise comes an hour later in the morning, as opposed to Standard Time.

I know exactly what I'm wishing for when I support permanent DST...
 
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xix

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Maybe by 1/2 hour difference we should stay at. But I think Sask. doesn't change their clocks.

Or just be it.
 

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Isn't that the opposite of permanent DST? With permanent DST it stays light an hour later in the evening, and sunrise comes an hour later in the morning, as opposed to Standard Time.

I know exactly what I'm wishing for when I support permanent DST...
I'm the same. I'd rather come home after work and have an extra hour of sunlight to BBQ, drink and relax on the patio. Why do I care about extra light when I'm in my car going to work ?
 

Phil C. McNasty

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I'm surprised its taking this long. Make it permanent already!
 

explorerzip

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I have in the past lived 3 years in Queensland Australia, where no DST.

Sun sets most nights 6:30 to 7, and nearer the equator so no slow sunset.
Birds start to sing at 3:30 in the morning as the sun rises in the summer.

So be careful what you wish for.
What do conditions in Australia have to do with us exactly? If you can hear birds from your place at 3:30 am, then you basically have zero insulation.
 
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explorerzip

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We've been spending more and more time indoors over the decades. More people are working remotely and in different time zones. So moving the clocks back and forth no longer has any benefit.
 
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I'd rather come home after work and have an extra hour of sunlight to BBQ, drink and relax on the patio.
It also gives those of us who have kids an extra hour in the afternoon to do stuff outdoors like biking, soccer, football, etc. Our kids already spend too much time sitting in front of their computers. No wonder we have an obesity crises.
 

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With permanent Daylight Saving Time it will be dark past 9:00 AM in the winter months. People will be going to work and kids will be going to school while it's still dark.
 

explorerzip

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With permanent Daylight Saving Time it will be dark past 9:00 AM in the winter months. People will be going to work and kids will be going to school while it's still dark.
People can and do adapt to that. We're not sticking people in a submarine with no sunlight at all for months.
 

Ponderling

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What do conditions in Australia have to do with us exactly? If you can hear birds from your place at 3:30 am, then you basically have zero insulation.
There are very loud birds in that climate; Kookaburra is the loudest that springs to mind.
In a sub tropical place there is no need for much insulation or double pane windows.

In fact you would leave the windows open for like 7 months of the year all day and night long to catch a breeze.
Household a/c is not at all common.
 

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With permanent Daylight Saving Time it will be dark past 9:00 AM in the winter months. People will be going to work and kids will be going to school while it's still dark.
In Toronto, on the shortest day of the year, Dec. 21, 2023, actual sunrise will be 7:47 am and civil dawn will be 7:14 am. Both standard time.

So with permanent DST, on Dec. 21, 2023 it will be fully dark until 8:14 am, but the skies will start to light up after that until full sunrise at at 8:47 am. That is the worst case shortest day dark morning scenario, as before and after Dec. 21 the skies will be lighter earlier, cloud cover permitting...
 
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