Mayor Miller - wage freeze

[tboy]

The thing about the bread analogy is: if the government made bread, it WOULD be $8.00 a loaf but thankfully they don't, private bakeries make bread, make a profit, and sell it for $1.00 to $3.00.

The thing about unions in the public sector is that they have a none competition clause so the public sector cannot shop for the best deal. For eg: garbage collecton. Was Mississauga or Etobicoke that cut their budget by 30% +/- when they subbed out their collection? Toronto can't do that because the wingnuts in power signed the deal with the unions......

 

[buckwheat1]

The city wants city workers to do most of their work not some guy down the steet. The city I know contracts out for some snow removal and the budget is eaten up plus some every winter by private contractors, so not all is cheap elsewhere.

 

[LancsLad]

The city wants city workers to do most of their work not some guy down the steet. The city I know contracts out for some snow removal and the budget is eaten up plus some every winter by private contractors, so not all is cheap elsewhere.

Use some of your holiday, sick and personal time for an ESL class.



try to stay off TERB until you are finished.






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[buckwheat1]

why? I want my 7 weeks of vacation for later in the year and my personal days added to the Easter weekend (Good Friday). Sick days I'll hang onto them, well over 300 now and growing.

 

[fuji]

You're just like a homeless guy who for some reason thinks everybody else in society OWES him a buck. We owe you nothing.

You're a leech on society and sooner or later the rest of us are going to turf you from the welfare rolls which is what I gather your job amounts to.

Let's start with a salary review of all city employees and have everyone, whether TTC collector or city councillor, have their salary and benefits adjusted to the average paid by the private sector for equivalent work.

 

[spankingman]

You're just like a homeless guy who for some reason thinks everybody else in society OWES him a buck. We owe you nothing.

You're a leech on society and sooner or later the rest of us are going to turf you from the welfare rolls which is what I gather your job amounts to.

Let's start with a salary review of all city employees and have everyone, whether TTC collector or city councillor, have their salary and benefits adjusted to the average paid by the private sector for equivalent work.

Never could understand that saying Going to hell in a handmaiden

Always thought it was Going to hell in a handbasket which also makes no sense!!1

 

[a 1 player]

I WANT A UNION CITY JOB! I'm tired of working for a living.

There I said it.

I feel so much better now.

 

[buckwheat1]

Fuji your a funny guy!!!! now your after their benefits first it was their wages now benefits whats next? You'll be wanting a job with the city. I'm no leach on society I actually work for private business and this company looks after it's employess mosat work here 30 years plus. I also know another company who treats it's employees the same way they actually
still have people working there for 45 years because it's a great place to work.

 

[fuji]

Fuji your a funny guy!!!! now your after their benefits first it was their wages now benefits whats next?

Benefits/salary it's all the same thing really. The only question is how much more money are we spending than we should be? Costs should be controlled whatever form they take.

If you're not a public employee fine, maybe you're a union leech on the ass of some private company instead, but that's not my problem it's a problem for that company.

Overpaid city employees are leeches on the taxpayer's ass.

 

[buckwheat1]

no leach here!!! my benefits are 35% of my salary, but I do have good benefits but that keeps employees happy awith a high morale rate. A happy employees means high productivity in most cases. let's wait and see what the union employees get, they have been getting 3 -3.3%

 

[buckwheat1]

Just found out the city of Toronto has what is called a workers fair wage. It states that it's a workeers right to fair wages. This can be found by using google it's a small brouchure. The city even has an office to look after fair wages or complaints something I didn't know, very interesting they'll also have pay equit in force I'm sure

 

[fuji]

Just found out the city of Toronto has what is called a workers fair wage. It states that it's a workeers right to fair wages.

That sounds nice but I am sure they apply a communist definition of "fair wage" rather than a free market definition of fair wage.

The fair wage should be set by comparing to equivalent work in the private sector. For a TTC collector that would mean parity with convenience store clerks.

they'll also have pay equit in force I'm sure

I have no problem with pay equity, women do face discrimination and are often underpaid for the same job as men. What I have a problem with are the generally inflated wages that public sector employees earn for doing what amounts to minimum wage work.

 

[tboy]

I know about the fair wage office of the city of Toronto and I will guaranfuckingtee you that fair wage has two definitions: one for union and one for non-union workers because as fuji said: if they actually did a job by job comparison to the private sector they would find that most city union employees are overpaid by 1.5 times at the minimum.

For eg: when I worked corporate they brought in an agency to do a study which applied a value to each task an employee did. This number was used everywhere in North America. They used this to determine the skill set necessary to do a job, the level of detail, the tediousness etc. They totalled these numbers and found that many employees were underpaid and they set about righting that.

Why I bring this up is because take garbage collectors for eg, they have the elements to deal with, the boredom of the job, and the fact that they have to lift 20 lbs. So, why are they getting paid $35.00 an hour, MORE per hour than skilled carpenters make, and lab technicians who had to go to university for 4 yrs? BECAUSE OF THE FRICKEN UNION.

Sorry, but a garbage collector should NOT be making anymore than $18.00 an hour....EVER. This is a job for the people who don't have the brains or the gumption to get an education and make something of themselves, so why does a no brain no skill job pay the same as one like a LAB TECH????

 

[good to go]

Well today the staff at the TTC were told that they were getting a 0% pay raise this year and a 1% pay raise next year.Just how do they justify their wage increases when the union fights for a raise and the management who is staff gets the same raise.Plus staff gets overtime on top of their salary.


Look at what a union paid foreman in the ibew makes $38 an hour which works out to $78 000 a year. The staff foreman at TTC make up to $98 000. And you call the union workers a leech on your taxes,plus some of the staff foreman get over $115 000 plus over 12 weeks vacation and make their own overtime. Some dont even come into work, they phone the workers and have them call them while they are at the cottage sitting on their docks.

 

[a 1 player]

Sorry, but a garbage collector should NOT be making anymore than $18.00 an hour....EVER. This is a job for the people who don't have the brains or the gumption to get an education and make something of themselves, so why does a no brain no skill job pay the same as one like a LAB TECH????

I was pissed in the automotive industry where I (with a BA, 3 college diplomas, and MANY specific technical certificates) made less managing, than many of my staff did screwing in bolts to a car. I had the stress, pressure, huge amounts of unpaid O/T and the responsibility to make sure things were done with the necessary quality, that production was met, and within budget. In short, my job was frigging hard to do.

Sometimes things just aren't right.

 

[a 1 player]

Look at what a union paid foreman in the ibew makes $38 an hour which works out to $78 000 a year. The staff foreman at TTC make up to $98 000. And you call the union workers a leech on your taxes,plus some of the staff foreman get over $115 000 plus over 12 weeks vacation and make their own overtime. Some dont even come into work, they phone the workers and have them call them while they are at the cottage sitting on their docks.

and for this their jobs should be terminated.

 

[good to go]

Some cases are being looked into by the fraud and waste hotline.

 

[Quaggitty]

Here is a nice part about Union Justification:

As a manager your wage is based on many factors one of which is haw many individuals report to you and consequentually how many teirs your up in the reporting structure. So in many Unions to change your pay-scale you have to hire new staff to justify the higher wage 9needed or not). A friend of mine who works at one of these shops tells me how his manager is always asking him if he needs help. He tells me that at every opertunity and every level there are 7-8 people that are doing the job 1 individual can do just so everyone can continue to move up the pay scale. This is how your government works!

Quag

 

[good to go]

Thats how they keep the economy going.

 

[good to go]

If you want the root of the problem then you have to look up. As a friend of mine once told me, the fish stinks from the head. Most if not all of the staff at TTC and other govt jobs comes from within. They were once the shop stewards and union presidents, they just moved up to feed on larger prey. So if you want to get to the root of the problem it is not just the unions,management is a larger problem.

They used to have one supervisor and two foreman to run all of the electrical jobs at the TTC, now with the same worker count they have 2 supervisors and over 10 foreman and rising. They foreman could not manage a childrens party in the real world so look at the root cause.