Muslim Dad MURDERS his daughte for not wearing the Head Scarf

[Anderson]

Sorry dude but I have to say you are clearly showing your bias towards Muslims here. To say that Palestinians are strapping bombs to their bodies in defense of Jewish aggression is nothing but a defense of terrorism and in my opinion is unacceptable. And you are really jumping to conclusions with your comment about people's reaction if the taser victim was Muslim and not Polish.

I think that Fizzy was just bugged and exaggerated a bit. His point is ( and Fizzy....if I am incorrect-sorry) that this is not the attitude of all Muslims, or even most. The father was mentally ill ( obviously) and is not a Muslim issue yet a radical issue.

I was in a very religious area in what scouser calls ''occupied territories", and was smoking on a Saturday when some wacko orthodox Jews actually chased me for 3-4 blocks screamimg and throwing rocks at me. I easily good have died if hit on the head. These were fucking religious wackos . All religions have some.

Fizzie in my estimation was irked at the insinuations of this story, and the response by some posters.

 

[train]

Wrong. It is just as clear from reading the Pickton letters as it is reading speculation from friends and neighbors of that poor girl in the media, that both people committed their murder due to some twisted reading of their respective religions and it's REAL misogynistic attitudes. Matter of fact since my evidence fror making this statement comes directly from the hand of Pickton himself, rather than through unconfirmed speculation from third parties, my statement has much more credibility.

Attached is a reference http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Pickton#August_2006_.27Pickton_Letters.27

According to this report:

1)The letters were sent from the detention center but it cannot be proven that Picton wrote them. The Vancouver Sun did what it could to try to prove it.

2) the letters were written after the murders and contained biblical references but the only quote that I have seen is in reference that faith was helping him indure his detention and not that his faith was the motivation for committing the murders.


So this plus neighbours' speculation is your evidence ? This makes it ok for this father to do what he did? Because there are Pictons in the world this makes it ok to stone, cane, burn terrorize?

What sort of twisted logic is this ?

But possibly, in spite of the fact that you simply make unsupported statements, and I provide actual evidence, you might still be correct, and have just neglected to provide your compelling evidence ... so, please feel free to go ahead and explain to us the difference and present your evidence.

This whole argument is off base and you are missing the point entirely. I have problems with fundamentalist Christians quite often as well. Ireland in the last half of the last century is an example of religion used to the detriment of it's followers. What exactly does that have to do with this incident ?

The point is that the Muslim community cannot suck and blow at the same time . They cannot expect the rest of the world to sympathize and buy into this "it's a religion of peace" crap until the the 90% who are peacelovers (if that is the right number) stand up to the other 10%. On a world-wide basis . You (Muslims) need to acknowledge the problem and take ownership of it. Pointing to isolated examples such as Mr Picton, no matter how abhorant, should not be used to justify the actions of a fanatic such as this father.

Until you understand that there isn't much hope is there?

Certainly the people around the world who are of the same faith as Mr Picton, and know of his crimes, are universally reviled by his actions. Muslims demonstrated in the streets because they wanted a 50 year old female teacher caned.

 

[BuffNaked]

Here is your homework .

Read the Koran.

Then read the new testament

then read the Torah,

Then I will explain a few things to you.

Everyone picks and chooses what passages in these holy books suit them. So while you condemn Islam for the doctrine of hate it endorses, there are others who praise it for the doctrine of peace it endorses.

So what exactly were you going to explain anyways?

 

[Anderson]

Everyone picks and chooses what passages in these holy books suit them. So while you condemn Islam for the doctrine of hate it endorses, there are others who praise it for the doctrine of peace it endorses.

So what exactly were you going to explain anyways?

Do your homework first,

 

[danmand]

Q: What do the following people have in common?

*Muslim man attacking/killing his daughter/wife/sister
*Christian man attacking/killing his daughter/wife/sister
*Jewish man attacking/killing his daughter/wife/sister
*Hindu man attacking/killing his daughter/wife/sister
*Atheist man attacking/killing his daughter/wife/sister

A: A severe case of misogyny/hatred of women & the power of their sexuality.

If at ANY time you have caught yourself saying/thinking that any woman/girl is a 'Whore' 'Slut' 'Tramp' etc., you are also a woman hater.

Oh, and by the way: If ever you have paid a woman for a sexual act, then went online to annonymously criticize her, you are a woman hater......

All men are women haters, except possibly Jazznhoop.

 

[Anderson]

Ummmmmmmmmm,

Q: What do the following people have in common?

*Muslim man attacking/killing his daughter/wife/sister
*Christian man attacking/killing his daughter/wife/sister
*Jewish man attacking/killing his daughter/wife/sister
*Hindu man attacking/killing his daughter/wife/sister
*Atheist man attacking/killing his daughter/wife/sister

A: A severe case of misogyny/hatred of women & the power of their sexuality.

If at ANY time you have caught yourself saying/thinking that any woman/girl is a 'Whore' 'Slut' 'Tramp' etc., you are also a woman hater.

Oh, and by the way: If ever you have paid a woman for a sexual act, then went online to annonymously criticize her, you are a woman hater......

Some would say that a woman who sells her body is a woman hater . I would call her a capitalist , but many would beg to differ.

As for this question:

*Muslim man attacking/killing his daughter/wife/sister
*Christian man attacking/killing his daughter/wife/sister
*Jewish man attacking/killing his daughter/wife/sister
*Hindu man attacking/killing his daughter/wife/sister
*Atheist man attacking/killing his daughter/wife/sister

No, not a woman hater , mental illness is my diagnosis.

 

[papasmerf]

Q: What do the following people have in common?

*Muslim man attacking/killing his daughter/wife/sister
*Christian man attacking/killing his daughter/wife/sister
*Jewish man attacking/killing his daughter/wife/sister
*Hindu man attacking/killing his daughter/wife/sister
*Atheist man attacking/killing his daughter/wife/sister

A: A severe case of misogyny/hatred of women & the power of their sexuality.

If at ANY time you have caught yourself saying/thinking that any woman/girl is a 'Whore' 'Slut' 'Tramp' etc., you are also a woman hater.

Oh, and by the way: If ever you have paid a woman for a sexual act, then went online to annonymously criticize her, you are a woman hater......

I think you are mistaking hate for what is a lack of respect. A lack of respect for life as well as women. When a person has no respect or regard for life they can kill without remorse.

 

[Anderson]

I think you are mistaking hate for what is a lack of respect. A lack of respect for life as well as women. When a person has no respect or regard for life they can kill without remorse.

I think that you are mistaking the concept of murdering your child.


A rational person cannot kill under the guise of Jesus told me to .

Hence irrational......hence mentally ill.

 

[papasmerf]

I think that you are mistaking the concept of murdering your child.


A rational person cannot kill under the guise of Jesus told me to .

Hence irrational......hence mentally ill.

When a person has total a disregard for the life of others the term rational has no place in describing that person.

 

[danmand]

When a person has total a disregard for the life of others the term rational has no place in describing that person.

That is the definition of a psychopath.

 

[Anderson]

True statement but.....

When a person has total a disregard for the life of others the term rational has no place in describing that person.

For a man to kill his daughter , I talk mental illness , not Allah, Jesus, Moses, or any other mythology.

 

[papasmerf]

For a man to kill his daughter , I talk mental illness , not Allah, Jesus, Moses, or any other mythology.

That is because you are assuming the fact that human life has value to all men great and small.......Reality is there are those who value themselves and their beliefs above any life. Not saying they are sane by and standard we hold.

 

[woolf]

Attached is a reference http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Pickton#August_2006_.27Pickton_Letters.27

According to this report:

1)The letters were sent from the detention center but it cannot be proven that Picton wrote them. The Vancouver Sun did what it could to try to prove it.

2) the letters were written after the murders and contained biblical references but the only quote that I have seen is in reference that faith was helping him indure his detention and not that his faith was the motivation for committing the murders.


So this plus neighbours' speculation is your evidence ? This makes it ok for this father to do what he did? Because there are Pictons in the world this makes it ok to stone, cane, burn terrorize?

What sort of twisted logic is this ?

The evidence looks pretty good to me ... at least as good as the media reports in the other case. Both seem to be "religious" nutjobs.

Show me where I said it was ok for the father to do what he did?

My point is that those laying the blame for this on Islam have to either place equal blame on Christianity for the actions of Pickton. or recognize that these are both twisted individuals that say very little about whichever religion they claim to belong.

This whole argument is off base and you are missing the point entirely. I have problems with fundamentalist Christians quite often as well. Ireland in the last half of the last century is an example of religion used to the detriment of it's followers. What exactly does that have to do with this incident ?

The point is that the Muslim community cannot suck and blow at the same time . They cannot expect the rest of the world to sympathize and buy into this "it's a religion of peace" crap until the the 90% who are peacelovers (if that is the right number) stand up to the other 10%. On a world-wide basis . You (Muslims) need to acknowledge the problem and take ownership of it. Pointing to isolated examples such as Mr Picton, no matter how abhorant, should not be used to justify the actions of a fanatic such as this father.

Until you understand that there isn't much hope is there?

Muslims have already condemned the actions .. they do so after every such incident ... but you never hear the "Christian" community apologize every time some Christian commits some horrible action ... and in reality they (and Muslims) should not have to apologize every time some nutjob that claims to be of their religion pops out from under their rock.

Certainly the people around the world who are of the same faith as Mr Picton, and know of his crimes, are universally reviled by his actions. Muslims demonstrated in the streets because they wanted a 50 year old female teacher caned.

Funny, I don't hear that many (none actually) Christians speaking out against this atrosity:

most everyone goes to church here. Driving through the town of Esit Eket, the rust-streaked signs, tarpaulins hung between trees and posters on boulders, advertise a church for every third or fourth house along the road. Such names as New Testament Assembly, Church of God Mission, Mount Zion Gospel, Glory of God, Brotherhood of the Cross, Redeemed, Apostalistic. Behind the smartly painted doors pastors make a living by 'deliverances' - exorcisms - for people beset by witchcraft, something seen to cause anything from divorce, disease, accidents or job losses. With so many churches it's a competitive market, but by local standards a lucrative one.

But an exploitative situation has now grown into something much more sinister as preachers are turning their attentions to children - naming them as witches. In a maddened state of terror, parents and whole villages turn on the child. They are burnt, poisoned, slashed, chained to trees, buried alive or simply beaten and chased off into the bush.

Some parents scrape together sums needed to pay for a deliverance - sometimes as much as three or four months' salary for the average working man - although the pastor will explain that the witch might return and a second deliverance will be needed. Even if the parent wants to keep the child, their neighbours may attack it in the street.

and believe it or not it gets even worst .. link here

Now, seeing as you seem to want to be pretty fair and balanced in tis argument, what do you think we should do in regards to condemning Christianity for this kind of atrocity? Surely if we can lay the blame for one crazy Muslim man killing his daughter at the feet of the entire religion of Islam, then a whole village full of crazy Christians should be more than enough to lay the blame at the feet of Christianity?

 

[Anderson]

Incorrect this time

That is because you are assuming the fact that human life has value to all men great and small.......Reality is there are those who value themselves and their beliefs above any life. Not saying they are sane by and standard we hold.

People who value themselves as the highest do not murder their children.

People who murder their children are mentally ill ( though some might call it something else)

 

[TQM]

It's all black and white........

Of course it's not. Religion is for idiots, but it's even more idiotic to mischaracterize a religion.

Here's an article on Islam and Women.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_and_Islam

 

[Anderson]

Of course it's not. Religion is for idiots, but it's even more idiotic to mischaracterize a religion.

Here's an article on Islam and Women.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_and_Islam

Its always black and white !

Gray is evil, fence sitters are equally evil.

 

[Never Compromised]

Its always black and white !

Gray is evil, fence sitters are equally evil.

That enough horsehit from you. You have the honour of being the first person to make my ignore list.

While you certainly have the right to spew your racist and ignorant comments, I also have to right to not have to be bothered with your hate.

bye bye

 

[Anderson]

????? ya lost me ????

That enough horsehit from you. You have the honour of being the first person to make my ignore list.

While you certainly have the right to spew your racist and ignorant comments, I also have to right to not have to be bothered with your hate.

bye bye

Black and White means right and wrong .

This is what I am referring to , and pretty sure TQM meant !

People who sit on the fence are evil in my estimation , and people who say ''gray'' vis a vis ''the middle ground '' is what I was writing.

I am not talking about shades of skin colour .Read any thread about me and you will understand this.

That being said, I find it quite honourable to be on your ignore list ,

 

[CapitalGuy]

If at ANY time you have caught yourself saying/thinking that any woman/girl is a 'Whore' 'Slut' 'Tramp' etc., you are also a woman hater.

Oh, and by the way: If ever you have paid a woman for a sexual act, then went online to annonymously criticize her, you are a woman hater......

If at ANY time? Goodness, those are harsh standards, and unrealistic ones as well. You seem to be in a judgemental/angry or hurt mood, but honestly, people are human and they will sometimes have hateful or hurtful thoughts. Thinking that one specific woman is a tramp, or calling her a slut ONE time, does not make a person a woman hater, though. Nor does posting a negative review in an escort board on the internet, make someone a woman hater. Another poster has broached the idea of not having respect for women, however it is not even assured that a guy who disrepects one woman, disprespects them all. Let alone hates them.

I hope you are able to work through whatever is troubling you.

 

[BuffNaked]

Do your homework first,

I have. Waiting the explanation.