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So, in other words whether or not your driver is in the top ten at that time!
I must admit, I was adamantly against it when I first heard about it but have been warming up to the idea. Lets face it...if your driver is 11th or worse with ten races to go, he ain't goin' nowhere. BUT...if you were, say, an Earnhardt Jr. fan...it would have made those last ten pretty exciting, no? Or would you prefer the way Kenseth wrapped it up with like 4 races to go.....
I must admit, I was adamantly against it when I first heard about it but have been warming up to the idea. Lets face it...if your driver is 11th or worse with ten races to go, he ain't goin' nowhere. BUT...if you were, say, an Earnhardt Jr. fan...it would have made those last ten pretty exciting, no? Or would you prefer the way Kenseth wrapped it up with like 4 races to go.....
I'm all for heavier weightings for winners all the way through. Or even make certain races (superspeedways/roadcourses) or the last 10 races count more for everyone. I think one of the exciting aspects of NASCAR is that so many drivers can still have a mathematical chance of winning the overall title even going into the last 5 races.
It unfortunately might eliminate the consistency factor, drivers who win the championship usually need to finish races to win the cup.
If this takes effect it will take away from the racers who may not necessarily win multiple races but are around for the checkered flag every race.
I personally had no problem with the fact that Kenseth only won 1 race while Newman won 8 was only 5th i think.
Either way my biggest issue is getting the words Nextel Cup racing into my vocabulary.
If this takes effect it will take away from the racers who may not necessarily win multiple races but are around for the checkered flag every race.
I personally had no problem with the fact that Kenseth only won 1 race while Newman won 8 was only 5th i think.
Either way my biggest issue is getting the words Nextel Cup racing into my vocabulary.
Boo to NASCAR
I post on several NASCAR boards and the majority of opinions on them are that it sucks. Which I fully agree with. The fan poll that NASCAR conducted also was overwhelming against this playoff idea, but NASCAR has never been known to listen to the fans.
Yes, Kenseth wrapped up the championship early with consistant preformances, but this same system has produced championship battles that have been decided on practically the last lap of the last race, such as in the truck series this year and the famous 1992 Kulwicki-Elliott where there was only a 10 points difference in the end.
There is also no gurantee that one driver could not have a hot streak in the final ten races and wrap up the championship with several races remaining under the new system also.
Maybe I'm just an old traditionalist but this old system has worked for years and I see no need to change it. I also think that it makes the first 26 races less important. Just squeak into the top ten and then you can beat others who had a much better year.
I post on several NASCAR boards and the majority of opinions on them are that it sucks. Which I fully agree with. The fan poll that NASCAR conducted also was overwhelming against this playoff idea, but NASCAR has never been known to listen to the fans.
Yes, Kenseth wrapped up the championship early with consistant preformances, but this same system has produced championship battles that have been decided on practically the last lap of the last race, such as in the truck series this year and the famous 1992 Kulwicki-Elliott where there was only a 10 points difference in the end.
There is also no gurantee that one driver could not have a hot streak in the final ten races and wrap up the championship with several races remaining under the new system also.
Maybe I'm just an old traditionalist but this old system has worked for years and I see no need to change it. I also think that it makes the first 26 races less important. Just squeak into the top ten and then you can beat others who had a much better year.
Agreed...and I think those are great ideas, Doctor. If it were me, I'd weight the 2 speedways, the 2 roadcourses and Indianapolis more heavily. But still....I (grudgingly) like the playoff system.
I REALLY hate the loss of Darlington on Labour day by the way!
I agree that a good bonus for the winner would be good...say 50 points or so, but, Newman would have cleaned house, and I am NOT a big Newman fan!
By the way, did you know NASCAR has come out with new rules about the gas cans because of Newman?
I REALLY hate the loss of Darlington on Labour day by the way!
I agree that a good bonus for the winner would be good...say 50 points or so, but, Newman would have cleaned house, and I am NOT a big Newman fan!
By the way, did you know NASCAR has come out with new rules about the gas cans because of Newman?
dickeydoem:
I post ALOT as well (I am CdnDJFan...I know, I know...but wait till next year!) In many respects, I think that many die-hard NASCAR fans will just vote against anything thats different...sometimes I think they are right, and other times I'm not so sure. For example, I said earlier I hate the Darlington change, but if they changed it for, say, Mosport....I'd be absolutely ecstatic.
As you say, who knows if a hot streak might change it...but look at Marlin in '02! He had it, but got hurt and Stewart took it...with a hot streak.
I believe the proposed system will produce more last lap battles, and in addition, will give us a mini in season playoff as drivers battle to make sure they're in the top ten at Richmond.
I post ALOT as well (I am CdnDJFan...I know, I know...but wait till next year!) In many respects, I think that many die-hard NASCAR fans will just vote against anything thats different...sometimes I think they are right, and other times I'm not so sure. For example, I said earlier I hate the Darlington change, but if they changed it for, say, Mosport....I'd be absolutely ecstatic.
As you say, who knows if a hot streak might change it...but look at Marlin in '02! He had it, but got hurt and Stewart took it...with a hot streak.
I believe the proposed system will produce more last lap battles, and in addition, will give us a mini in season playoff as drivers battle to make sure they're in the top ten at Richmond.
I don't...
know about the new system. I have lost interest in the 'sport' since they began hyping it up. You know, all the drivers are 'athletes', fine family men, and do the utmost for their communities. Just too much hype and not enough simple racing. I do have to say though, I like the amount of information they now provide on the engineering aspects of the spectacle.
know about the new system. I have lost interest in the 'sport' since they began hyping it up. You know, all the drivers are 'athletes', fine family men, and do the utmost for their communities. Just too much hype and not enough simple racing. I do have to say though, I like the amount of information they now provide on the engineering aspects of the spectacle.
Woo Hoo!!!!!!! A NASCAR post!
I started seriously watching Nascar about 3 years ago. I loved the race to the finish in 2002 were Tony Stewart won by a slim margin ( 46 points I believe ) over Mark Martin. Too bad Martin didn't win he is my favourite driver.
Last year I got to Walkins Glen and really enjoyed the girls in swimsuits and the cheap beer. Getting to see Jeff Gordon get the boot in the first corner on the first lap was fuuny. The crowd went nuts! This year I'm going to Bristol for the race on March 28.
To the playoff format. I can live with it. Are there any major sports left that do not use a playoff format?
I started seriously watching Nascar about 3 years ago. I loved the race to the finish in 2002 were Tony Stewart won by a slim margin ( 46 points I believe ) over Mark Martin. Too bad Martin didn't win he is my favourite driver.
Last year I got to Walkins Glen and really enjoyed the girls in swimsuits and the cheap beer. Getting to see Jeff Gordon get the boot in the first corner on the first lap was fuuny. The crowd went nuts! This year I'm going to Bristol for the race on March 28.
To the playoff format. I can live with it. Are there any major sports left that do not use a playoff format?
Racing is not a ball and stick sport playoff's in racing is plain stuipd IMHO I think NASCAR is just trying to make itself more appealing to a larger audience which will make them more money (and I will say this in my best southern style) it ain't racin.
Why does it have to come down to the last race? Enjoy each race for what it is, and if someone is good enough to clinch things before the season ends, so be it.
I don't hear a lot of complaining about Schuey clinching things early.
Seems like we've got too many folks raised on TV that need to have a tidy finish right at the end, and so we should re-arrange life to match that. Heck, I'll bet a lot of 'fans' would like there to be a poll at the end of the season to 'vote' the winner in, and then they could vote for Jr.
Heck, they've used that system for what? 22 years now? Leave it be.
I don't hear a lot of complaining about Schuey clinching things early.
Seems like we've got too many folks raised on TV that need to have a tidy finish right at the end, and so we should re-arrange life to match that. Heck, I'll bet a lot of 'fans' would like there to be a poll at the end of the season to 'vote' the winner in, and then they could vote for Jr.
Heck, they've used that system for what? 22 years now? Leave it be.
I think the changes for 2004 are going to be the most dramatic that NASCAR has seen in history.
1) Brian France has replaced his father as CEO.
2) RJ Reynolds has been involved with NASCAR for the last 33 years, yet they stepped down from their sponsorship and have been replaced by Nextel. Nextel is bringing 700 million dollars to the table over 10 years.
3) Toyota is fielding a team in the Craftsmen Truck Series. Fans are upset over this one. They say "WTF Toyota is not Amercan," even though they are built in the USA.
4) Pontiac has bowed out from competion. Leaving Ford, Chevy, Dodge, and in the Nextel Cup ( i guess thats what they are going to call it....and now Toyota in the Craftsmen Truck Series.
Brian France made a good call last year when he proposed a rule change that would not allow racing back to the flag. I don't like these new rule changes. However just about all sports do have a playoff formatt. So why not motorsports? 2004 will be a look see to see how everything is going to pan out. It may not turn out to be something good, but if its not, they can always go back to the old rules or come up with something different. One thing about NASCAR they are not afraid to make changes. --- Kev
1) Brian France has replaced his father as CEO.
2) RJ Reynolds has been involved with NASCAR for the last 33 years, yet they stepped down from their sponsorship and have been replaced by Nextel. Nextel is bringing 700 million dollars to the table over 10 years.
3) Toyota is fielding a team in the Craftsmen Truck Series. Fans are upset over this one. They say "WTF Toyota is not Amercan," even though they are built in the USA.
4) Pontiac has bowed out from competion. Leaving Ford, Chevy, Dodge, and in the Nextel Cup ( i guess thats what they are going to call it....and now Toyota in the Craftsmen Truck Series.
Brian France made a good call last year when he proposed a rule change that would not allow racing back to the flag. I don't like these new rule changes. However just about all sports do have a playoff formatt. So why not motorsports? 2004 will be a look see to see how everything is going to pan out. It may not turn out to be something good, but if its not, they can always go back to the old rules or come up with something different. One thing about NASCAR they are not afraid to make changes. --- Kev
Remember, this is the last major racing organization to mandate head and neck restraints for the drivers. The last major racing organization to create their own safety team.
NASCAR has been great at building itself, but sometimes it has blinders on. NASCAR forgets it's product sometimes. The drivers.
Actually CC that was my point. I posted that at 3am. YAWN!!!Crazy Canuck said:
My reference to changes was they'll make changes if your car is more competitive than the next guys. BUT only then. They brought in neck restraints only after Dale Earnhardt died from the injuries the experts were trying to tell them are going to happen if you don't use the Hans Device. Little to late for DE.
As far as calling NASCAR a dinosaur. Give your head a shake. NASCAR is the second watched sport in the USA, only behind football. You should check out whats in store for NASCAR for 2004. Brian France has big plans for NASCAR in the coming years. --- Kev
There maybe a connection with France SR. in reference to a dinosaur. He was old school and a changing of the guard is just whats needed in making NASCAR better.
I would really like to see other car manufactures in the line up. That won't happen unless they get rid of the old rule that states engines can not have over head cams. Now thats archaic considering that F1 motors don't have cams at all, but rely on electric impulses to move the valves. NASCAR has to move forward because i don't think that American car manufactures can continue to make these cars that rely on old technology. --- Kev
I would really like to see other car manufactures in the line up. That won't happen unless they get rid of the old rule that states engines can not have over head cams. Now thats archaic considering that F1 motors don't have cams at all, but rely on electric impulses to move the valves. NASCAR has to move forward because i don't think that American car manufactures can continue to make these cars that rely on old technology. --- Kev
Toyota is not competing in the Busch series. They are competing in the Craftsmen Truck Series. The motor is a purpose built for NASCAR.
Type: Toyota NASCAR V8
Displacement: 358 Cu. In.
Power: 650 BHP
Induction: Normally Aspirated with Carburetor
Bore: 4.185 Inches
Stroke: 3.250 Inches
Compression Ratio: 12.0:1
Engine Design: Toyota Racing Development, U.S.A.
Type: Toyota NASCAR V8
Displacement: 358 Cu. In.
Power: 650 BHP
Induction: Normally Aspirated with Carburetor
Bore: 4.185 Inches
Stroke: 3.250 Inches
Compression Ratio: 12.0:1
Engine Design: Toyota Racing Development, U.S.A.
Maybe a better idea to the points to declare a champ is to work with stats such as top 5's etc. Obviously each race can have only one winner but make the underlying championship points based on wins, top 5's , tops tens.
Win - 5pts
top5 - 3pts
top10 - 1pt
teh it would fit more into the win-tie-overtime loss format of other sports.
Unfortunately the issue here and NASCAR is trying to work out is not having to deal with 2 seprate point tracking systems.
A second idea is after 26 races is to take the top 16 and work on an elimination format over the last 10 races. Kinda like the Winston (called what now, will Budweiser make the shootout at Charlotte now under the old winston format?). However 2 - 100th in the points is always up for grabs based on the old system.
results base on the finishing order among the cometing cars. So in race 10 of the playoffs, the best finishing car of those involved takes it all
race1: 16th elimnated
race2: 15th eliminated
race3: 14th eliminated
race4: 13th eliminated
race5: 12th eliminated
race6: 11th eliminated
race7: 10th eliminated
race8: 8th - 9th eliminated
race9: 6th - 7th eliminated
race10: best finishing car of the top 5 wins
this way they all compete but only a limited number contend for the champion. I's impossible to add more races to the schedule, so they have to work with existing races and possible re-arranging the visits to the tracks.
How many remember last year's presidents trophy for top regular season team in the NHL???????
Dave
Win - 5pts
top5 - 3pts
top10 - 1pt
teh it would fit more into the win-tie-overtime loss format of other sports.
Unfortunately the issue here and NASCAR is trying to work out is not having to deal with 2 seprate point tracking systems.
A second idea is after 26 races is to take the top 16 and work on an elimination format over the last 10 races. Kinda like the Winston (called what now, will Budweiser make the shootout at Charlotte now under the old winston format?). However 2 - 100th in the points is always up for grabs based on the old system.
results base on the finishing order among the cometing cars. So in race 10 of the playoffs, the best finishing car of those involved takes it all
race1: 16th elimnated
race2: 15th eliminated
race3: 14th eliminated
race4: 13th eliminated
race5: 12th eliminated
race6: 11th eliminated
race7: 10th eliminated
race8: 8th - 9th eliminated
race9: 6th - 7th eliminated
race10: best finishing car of the top 5 wins
this way they all compete but only a limited number contend for the champion. I's impossible to add more races to the schedule, so they have to work with existing races and possible re-arranging the visits to the tracks.
How many remember last year's presidents trophy for top regular season team in the NHL???????
Dave
